[OSM-talk] enough

John McKerrell john at mckerrell.net
Fri Mar 30 10:48:14 BST 2007

I know, I know, I'm replying to an email entitled "enough".

Just thought it was worth pointing out that I've added an  
achievements section to the wiki page so that we can keep track of  
the very real achievements that have been made using this imagery  
that probably wouldn't have been possible otherwise.


I'm half asleep this morning so I've only written brief summaries,  
feel free to rewrite it all and please do add any I've missed.


On 30 Mar 2007, at 10:13, Mikel Maron wrote:

> Going to make this short, since already too much effort has been  
> spent on this issue.
> I spend a lot of my own personal time trying to help OpenStreetMap.  
> All of the viewpoints
> expressed on the use of Yahoo imagery are appreciated and  
> understood .. and from my
> perspective most people really like that we have this option to  
> work with. Others have
> pointed out problems, and I'm glad for that, and I will endeavor to  
> clear up ambiguities and
> open issues as much as possible. However, a few people have  
> objections, and are voicing
> those objections over and over, in lengthy dispiriting discussions.  
> We are a community,
> and decision making is pretty ad hoc. If I sensed that a large  
> group of OSMers had a problem
> with the Yahoo imagery, then I'd respect that and drop it. But  
> rather, we have dissenting
> opinions which can't accept that not everyone agrees with them.
> This kind of disagreement happens with great regularity on OSM.  
> I've weathered a few in my
> time, and while unsurprising, my tolerance is lower than ever. It's  
> extremely tempting to
> walk away and give up in the face of such disfunction. I'm not  
> crying out for attention here,
> I'm simply saying that the next time there's such an unreasonable  
> and endless discussion,
> I'm not sure I'll be around to see it through.
> So please stop. Simple. If you have something more to say on the  
> subject, channel that
> into the wiki page on Yahoo Imagery .. briefly and with NPV.
> Now I'm going to try and recover some excitement for this thing.
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