[OSM-talk] Old or dialectal names

[Bèrto 'd Sèra]

LOL I'm from Kiev, Ukraine. But that's the last 6 and half year :) I was 
born in Biela, but my parents are from the Civass area, so I can 
undertand Bielèis but I cannot really speak it. My native language 
remains the Civass piedmontese, which very close to Turinèis, although a 
bit different in articles (they say "le stra", we say "jë stra").

The article about Vignà is http://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vign%C3%A0 I 
already added the road you mentioned, you can add the others following 
the same standard.

As per orthography, Lissandren usually has a vocal shift in most tonic 
As (part those before an N- sound, where N- is like 'galin-a', and gets 
pronounced like the final English -ing, with a fully muted G). This 
shift is sometimes marked graphically and sometims isn't. If you choose 
to mark it, the proper letter is Ä. So you'd have 'can' (dog) and 'gät' 
(cat). Ä is read basically like a short Piedmontese Ò (and 100% 
identical to the Danish Å). Anyway, there is a fixed rule to have this 
vocal shift, so it doesn't matter whether you specify it or not.

When you have a map of Vignà ready I can assist you in putting it in the 
wiki.

Bèrto


wiseLYNX ?????:
> Bèrto 'd Sèra wrote:
>   
>> Hi!
>>
>> This message went in error to Dave Stubbs only, sorry Dave. I'm half
>> asleep and I when I'm like this I often press the wrong button :)
>>
>> ======================
>>
>> A small and humble correction: names are not "dialectal" as Piedmontese
>> is a full-fledged ISO 639-3 language (code PMS) and it is recognized as
>> "regional language" in the Statutory Chart of the Piedmont Region :)
>> It's also taught in state schools to thousands children in the last
>> years. So it does have a well defined standard orthography, too.
>>     
>
> well, yes, I know. I simply didn't think it was _this_ important for OSM ^_^
>
>   
>> You might want to check your orthography with the guys at
>> http://pms.wikipedia.org  (just get to the article about the
>> town/village you are mapping and enter your requests in the discussion,
>> or directly on the article, if you can write proper  piedmontese). If
>> you look for a less "encyclopedic" sire you can go here:
>> http://pms.i-iter.org/ I'm sure people will be eager to help you. In
>> both sites you will find an Open Source piedmontese keyboard for both a
>> standard american ANSI kb or an italian keyboard.
>>     
>
> pity, I'm not that good to speak nor to write piedmontese, but for the
> streen names I was talking about I can refer to the plaques in the town
> (which is Vignale Monferrato, near Alessandria)
>
>   
>> For the case you are stating there is only a couple of minor mistakes,
>> the correct form is "Contrà ëd mes" (as È is pronounced as in  french
>> Cafè, or in "Piemontèis").  Usually in the Turin area roads  are called
>> "Contrà", while when you move north towards Biela  you frequently meet
>> the term "Rua". Canals (not navigable) are usually called "Bialera",
>> small rivers are "Dòire". A full list of piedmontese toponims and a
>> first list of some local toponims is available here:
>> http://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ACa:Borgh_e_sit%C3%A0_d%C3%ABl_Piemont
>>     
>
> They are "contrà", but being Vignale nearer Lombardia, it may be
> something can change both in writing and in pronuciation.
>
>   
>> you are very much welcome in extending it with road names etc :) It
>> would very nice and welcome if you put references to the openstreetmaps
>> with piedmontese toponims in it in the articles, too :)
>> You can drop me a line here:
>> http://pms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciaciarade:B%C3%A8rto_%27d_S%C3%A8ra if
>> you need any assistance.
>>     
>
> I'm quite new to OSM, what articles are you referring to?
>
>   
>> Thank you for your time and work!
>> Bèrto
>>     
>
> thank you Bèrto.. and, out of curiosity, because you too seem to come
> from Piemonte, where are you from?
>
> Enrico
>
>   

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