[OSM-talk] R: Re: Enabling communities to use OSM as a planning tool

[postdadaismo at libero.it]

Very interesting thread!

>From my experience, OSM is as good as a planning tool 
as a paper map. Let's consider the combination of data-tools-people-processes 
required to do planning...only some spot examples....

DATA
An actual planning 
project (be it participatory or not) will benefit from various other sources of 
information, ...aerial photography, rainfall time series, interviews to 
stakeholders, reports, etc.
all these sources may or may not be available 
according to "OSM-like" protocols.

TOOLS
planning may involve evaluating 
analysis of spatial relationships which are the basic tasks within a GIS 
environment but are not completely addressed by current OSM-centered clients 


PEOPLE
Planning also involves sharing insight and multidisciplinary knowledge 
that will never (I hope) be totally recordable in an information system.

I 
still like the idea of enabling communities to use OSM *data* for *streets* 
(and for *some* points of interest) to be used within planning projects, 
integrated with other data sources by tools (e.g. OpenLayers or you name it).


Raising awareness and enabling communities can be done by "doing it" and 
talking about it (in our case, on July 2 at the Politecnico di Milano, Faculty 
of Architecture, we will be having an event about  at the end of our M(')appare 
Milano project - more news to come).

This process also helps developers to 
tailor tools (and data specifications, and data quality) to the needs of end 
users.

Clearly, "planning" in general terms is a very open domain of interest, 
and there are various approaches to planning

...surely there are many cases 
where the OSM website on its own, with the wiki (and the natural "community 
tools" this brings),  can satisfy the needs of a planning team, but I wanted to 
stress the point that planning "tools" on their own won't do planning....It's a 
bit like saying that a knife and a potato will make fish & chips on their own 
;)

Best regards (and happy mapping)!

Andrea Giacomelli - aka pibinko
vice 
president for GFOSS.it, Italian OSGEO Chapter - http://www.gfoss.it
http://www.
pibinko.org - ideas and projects
http://pibinko.splinder.com - news and points 
of interest





>----Messaggio originale----
>Da: fabrizio.giudici at tidalwave.
it
>Data: 04/06/2008 21.02
>A: "spaetz"<osm at sspaeth.de>
>Cc: 
<talk at openstreetmap.org>
>Ogg: Re: [OSM-talk] Enabling communities to use OSM 
as a planning tool
>
>
>On Jun 4, 2008, at 20:39 , spaetz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 
Jun 04, 2008 at 11:09:33AM -0400, simon at mungewell.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> One 
thought that occurs to me is that there will be many,  
>>>> disparate groups

>>>> wishing to use OSM to plan stuff, only a very small proportion of  
>>>> 
which
>>>> would eventually become reality. I'm not sure if it would be  
>>>> 
appropriate
>>>> to add these features to the main OSM database.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I 
would also agree that it is probably not appropriate to add  
>>> addition
>>> 
(non-real) data to the main database, as it will make the editor view
>>> 
significantly more cluttered and confused.
>>>
>>> At present they can achieve 
the same effect using off line file and
>>> merging layers before rendering.
>>

>> OpenLayers is capable of rendering local .osm data, so it's possible  
>> to 
have a local "planning layer" overlaid on the plain map.
>
>
>I don't know what 
Simon had in mind, in any case I'm developing an  
>application where there 
will be travel planning, and it will also use  
>OSM. I think that this should 
be done locally, as others have  
>suggested (in my case I have a full fledged 
desktop application, so  
>there are no problems at all).
>
>-- 
>Fabrizio 
Giudici, Ph.D. - Java Architect, Project Manager
>Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make 
Java work. Everywhere."
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>
>
>

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