[OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

Mikel Maron mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 14 02:43:09 GMT 2009

OSM in 2009
Took so little time
For the lists to get so pissed
But mercury is in retrogrades
(and I don't believe in that, ok, anyways)
Nothing a beer among comrades
Wouldn't fix, mighty quick
So welcome to all mappers and T B Lee
A new year of maps, open and free!


(I'm not saying that the rest of this thread should be poems, but I think it would help)

From: brendan barrett <shogunz0r at gmail.com>
To: Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

Perhaps my point hasn't gotten through properly. My intention is
merely to convey that this kind of language "we're just a bunch of
clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up
everything", does not help someone understand this "API 0.6 has been
available for testing and reviewing for a while now. If there is
somebody willing and able to review it they will have done so by now".
As a newbie to the project, this kind of language deters any kind of
participation in this forum due to fear of retribution. How do you
build credibility for a project when your public communications are
degrading? Rather not reply at all.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> brendan barrett wrote:
>> I'm not going to speculate on the fruits of such an exercise. My point
>> is simply that if someone is willing to do so, then why stop them or
>> belittle their effort.
> True, and API 0.6 has been available for testing and reviewing for a while
> now. If there is somebody willing and able to review it they will have done
> so by now, and we won't stop them or belittle their effort!
> This is different from asking around whether somebody perhaps knows somebody
> who might be a database genius and who might perhaps be willing to lend us
> his ears so that we can explain to him what OSM is about, what we've done in
> the past, what we'll do with 0.6, and why and where we'd value his opinion.
> We might go to such lengths if we were in really deep shit and didn't know
> how to get out without external help, but I don't see a reason for that
> right now.
> I'm also a bit offended by the fact that people seem to think that anyone
> who has written a few RfCs must surely know people who can easily usher OSM
> into a new era by applying their vastly superior knowledge - and that's in
> spite of me not even having designed anything close to the heart of OSM.
> Finally, I think that Tim has a right to be a regular mapper like anyone
> else on this list, picking his area of interest and doing a little work
> there, without everyone challenging him to get involved more and to send his
> friends and organisations to help. Has it occurred to anybody that he might
> just be in it for a bit of recreation like so many of us?
> Bye
> Frederik
> --
> Frederik Ramm  ##  eMail frederik at remote.org  ##  N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

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