[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Membership applications from Skobbler employees

Fri Aug 26 10:36:41 BST 2011

Even if that might be legally correct it’s not morally correct, as we actually CAN

trace that to persons. Hiding behind a formal legal description will

save you from persecution only. Nevertheless naming Skobbler is doing harm to people.

No-one should have mentioned the name Skobbler in the first place.

I consider this a serious lack of respect and Henks’s first mail is proof of naming and shaming.

Gert 

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Barnett, Phillip <PHILLIP.BARNETT at itn.co.uk> wrote:

>The OSMF had an obligation, under the UK data protection laws, to preserve the confidentiality of >personal information.  It would have been a breach of confidence to make it public at the time. 

Not so. 

UK Data Protection laws exist to safeguard 'personal' data. Saying that ' there has been a large number of applications for OSMF membership by people who appear to be employees of Apple ' for instance, is perfectly in order - you are not releasing any 'personal data' UNLESS you also released, say, email addresses and names of the people, which can personally identify them, perhaps to back up your assertion.

>Saying 'a large number of applications from CloudMade' would have been effectively the same as >naming the members.  You'd only need to look here>http://web.archive.org/web/20090524055747/http://cloudmade.com/team <http://web.archive.org/web/20090524055747/http:/cloudmade.com/team>  to have a pretty good idea >of who was a member.  

Well, this is a sideshow to the main debate, but you are still not revealing personal data, merely a fact about some or all members of a group. You are clear to do this under the UK Data Protection Act. I can say '"Most of the voting population of the UK live in this country" and you can cross-refer to the UK electoral register, for names and addresses, but that doesn't mean I've released the personal details of 40 million people!

In this instance, Cloudmade were releasing personal data. But since they're not under UK law,  the fact that they released their own employees names and faces and email addresses is presumably between them, their employees, and the US government. 

HTH 

Phillip

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