[OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 4 01:55:39 UTC 2014


Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are
open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent
them from becoming a public right of way.

Cheerio John


On 3 August 2014 21:47, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of
> pack horses and long distance footpaths.  I don't think you have the
> equivalent in North America.  So in the UK a right of way may still follow
> a privately maintained road.
>
> It's probably better to leave the tagging of this to local mappers who
> hopefully know the rules/laws and they are different in different countries.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
> On 3 August 2014 21:35, John F. Eldredge <john at jfeldredge.com> wrote:
>
>> In the USA, it depends upon whether the property owner has given
>> permission for public use.  If a private road through an apartment complex
>> is signed as "residents and guests only", for example, an outsider driving
>> through can be charged with trespassing.
>>
>>
>> On August 3, 2014 6:50:55 AM CDT, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
>> wrote:
>> > It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather
>> > complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by default.
>> > If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have presumably
>> > been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign "residents
>> > only" might not have any force in law. A road in private ownership,
>> > with a public right of way, can be used though if it is a "byway open
>> > to all traffic". Landowners often object to rights of way across their
>> > land and might try to discourage their use with misleading signs.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3 August 2014 12:43:50 CEST, Matthijs Melissen
>> > <info at matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote:
>> > >On 3 August 2014 11:18, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road'
>> > signs,
>> > >such
>> > >>> as:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> - 'Private road'
>> > >>> - 'Private road no parking'
>> > >>> - 'Private road no parking no turning'
>> > >>> - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning'
>> > >>>
>> > >>> How do people tag these roads? For which of these would you use
>> > >>> access=private?
>> > >>>
>> > >> I would tag them all with access=destination, unless there are
>> > >additional
>> > >> signs that forbid entering.
>> > >> A "private road" is privately owned and maintained, but you
>> > normally
>> > >may use
>> > >> it to reach the properties facing it as visitor or for delivery
>> > >purposes.
>> > >
>> > >Most private roads are cul-de-sacs, but in the hypothetical situation
>> > >where a private road connects two non-private roads, would there be a
>> > >legal reason you couldn't use the private road as shortcut?
>> > >
>> > >-- Matthijs
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