[OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

[Pierre Riteau]

These are generally called permissive paths.



On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 02:55 AM, john whelan wrote:

Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the
UK which are open to the public on 364 days a year but closed
one day a year to prevent them from becoming a public right of
way.

Cheerio John



On 3 August 2014 21:47, john whelan <[1]jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
wrote:

In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to
the days of pack horses and long distance footpaths.  I don't
think you have the equivalent in North America.  So in the UK a
right of way may still follow a privately maintained road.

It's probably better to leave the tagging of this to local
mappers who hopefully know the rules/laws and they are
different in different countries.

Cheerio John



On 3 August 2014 21:35, John F. Eldredge
<[2]john at jfeldredge.com> wrote:

In the USA, it depends upon whether the property owner has
given permission for public use.  If a private road through an
apartment complex is signed as "residents and guests only", for
example, an outsider driving through can be charged with
trespassing.





On August 3, 2014 6:50:55 AM CDT, Colin Smale
<[3]colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather

> complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by
default.

> If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have
presumably

> been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign
"residents

> only" might not have any force in law. A road in private
ownership,

> with a public right of way, can be used though if it is a
"byway open

> to all traffic". Landowners often object to rights of way
across their

> land and might try to discourage their use with misleading
signs.

>

>

> On 3 August 2014 12:43:50 CEST, Matthijs Melissen

> <[4]info at matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote:

> >On 3 August 2014 11:18, Volker Schmidt
<[5]voschix at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>> Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private
road'

> signs,

> >such

> >>> as:

> >>>

> >>> - 'Private road'

> >>> - 'Private road no parking'

> >>> - 'Private road no parking no turning'

> >>> - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning'

> >>>

> >>> How do people tag these roads? For which of these would
you use

> >>> access=private?

> >>>

> >> I would tag them all with access=destination, unless there
are

> >additional

> >> signs that forbid entering.

> >> A "private road" is privately owned and maintained, but
you

> normally

> >may use

> >> it to reach the properties facing it as visitor or for
delivery

> >purposes.

> >

> >Most private roads are cul-de-sacs, but in the hypothetical
situation

> >where a private road connects two non-private roads, would
there be a

> >legal reason you couldn't use the private road as shortcut?

> >

> >-- Matthijs

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