[OSM-talk] Drop rendering of permissive access?

[SomeoneElse]

On 01/07/2014 09:46, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> Regardless of aesthetics, as pointed out here 
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/371 the 
> current access renderings are misleading and entice wrong tagging.
>

Playing devil's advocate here, how do we know this?  That information 
doesn't appear to be on the pull request.  What we have instead is 
"Given that most uses, particularly of access=destination are actually 
wrong (excludes access far all, including pedestrians for example)".  
What it'd be useful to have instead would be:

1) some examples of where access=destination is wrong (i.e. there really 
is more than "destination" access for specific modes and that isn't 
tagged) to help understand what the problem is perceived to be.

2) either a measurement of how widespread the problem is, or a 
description of how to measure how widespread the problem is.

Currently we don't have either of those - and without that there simply 
isn't the evidence to back up the proposed change.  That doesn't mean 
that it can't / won't be found (hence "playing devil's advocate") just 
that we don't know yet.

Sometimes things that are "obvious" aren't actually true when you look 
at the data ("new iD users making more errors than new users of other 
editors" being an example of that, at least at the data that I looked at 
from England and Wales).

Cheers,

Andy