[OSM-talk] "guide to vandalism” in OSM?

[Pierre Béland]

Hi JB
You are probably from a northern and developped country like me. But the reality is not the same everywhere. There was a discussion on the OSM Mali list today. People where discussing if it would be possible to meet this weekend with the electric planified shoutage. Plus it is not everybody that has access to a computer and internet. Go in the field?  I mapped in the last few days in the northern part of Quebec, Canada (innuit territory). I was lucky to find imagery at some places. 

Our challenge is to innovate and let others participate differently.  Nothing is perfect in our OSM world. We just try to find ways to move forward and let people participate in different ways.
About come and survey?  For the Haiyan Activation, people in the field added notes describing infrastructures. Badly these were anonymous notes and I could not contact them for more info. I replied to it and wait for an answer. After a year, somebody responded to me recently and corrected the map.  

This is a workflow to build. For anonymous notes, if there are too many, there could be a policy to remove them after a certain period of time.

regard Pierre 

      De : JB <jbosm at mailoo.org>
 À : talk at openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 13 février 2015 9h50
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] "guide to vandalism” in OSM?
   
After having looked at a few @osmthis notes, my conclusion is that it rarely helps: the location of the note is not precise enough, and the photo cannot help with finding the poi location. Should use photo + manual location.Still wondering about this « presume good faith » thing. If every note should be resurveyed on the ground, why not just replace the creator text with « please come survey here » ? And then, just randomly create them around everywhere, just to encourage mappers get out ?Sure, you got someone give an example of two bad faith notes in France, out of 21000 created, 19000 closed ? Are the statistics really worse than that of vandalism ?JB.  Le 12.02.2015 19:38, Pierre Béland a écrit :


We have to think of OSM as a global community where not all countires are equal with access to internet and computers. Often, people have smartphones and could contribute. Adding a note with photo would greatly help. The @osmthis Twitter tag let's do this. But it is uneasy then to communicate with these persons.adding @osmthis.  The same functionality in OSM would be fantastic. But with anonymous notes, we cannot contact these people and obtain clarification.  Then the risk that notes stay open for a long period since incompleted.
 Pierre 

 De : Maarten Deen <mdeen at xs4all.nl>
À : talk at openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Jeudi 12 février 2015 12h43
Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] "guide to vandalism" in OSM?

On 2015-02-12 18:23, Pieren wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
> <www.haxor at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> @Pieren: You switch topics so easily that I'm not sure what are you
>> talking about precisely. Is your stance "Someone showed that it is
>> easy to add fake notes, therefore we must assume that every single POI
>> added from notes is fake unless we prove it 100%"?
> 
> I'm just saying that a note is not good enough as a single source for
> contribution. Especially when it is easy to verify like in the two
> reported examples (a bank and a bakery). And in case of doubt, you
> just leave the note open for others instead of compulsive "close
> notes" contributions.

I agree. Especially new notes, just wait a while until someone who maybe 
has local knowledge picks it up.
Another thought: give the possibility to add photo's to notes. That way 
you have more confirmation that there is something. You still don't know 
if it is there unless there are GPS coordinates in the picture, but it's 
something.

Maarten



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