[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 11

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Michael Reichert)
   2. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Richard Mann)
   3. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)
   4. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:57:49 +0200
From: Michael Reichert <nakaner at gmx.net>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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Hi,

Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard Mann:
> Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially
> misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each
> line separately.
> 
> So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I
> only did N=1 or N>=4, though.
> 
> I'd suggest converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.

You can find the tag detail=track on lots of tracks in South-West
Germany instead of tracks=1.

Best regards

Michael


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:11:46 +0100
From: Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxford at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at
railway tagging for a while, though.
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:19:07 +0200
From: Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English)
wiki... 

//colin 

On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote: 

> I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at railway tagging for a while, though. 
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:20:57 +0200
From: Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael. 

It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four
tracks, all with tracks=4... 

--colin 

On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote: 

> Hi.
> 
> Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale: 
> 
>> I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a
>> misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very
>> damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for
>> some time and newer edits may have been made. It may need something like
>> this: 
>> 
>> * Get all changesets from WJtW
>> * get all railway tracks from those changesets with tracks>1
>> * search back through the history to find where the tag was added
>> * see if it was user WJtW that did it
>> * If so, remove the tracks=* tag.
> 
> I (a German railway mapper) have been notified by another user about
> WJtW's edits last week. I [1] have already started reverting parts of
> his edits. That's the way I did it:
> 
> - Search for railway=rail + tracks=2 via Overpass Turbo (with meta as
> output variant)
> - Pick out one way of the result. If its last edited was done by WJtW, I
> had a lookat the changeset which did this edit using Achavi. If the
> changeset was mostly adding of tracks=2, I reverted it. Sometimes I did
> partial reverts if only parts of the changeset were bad.
> - If the last edit of the way was done by another user, I had a look
> into the way's history and looked for the bad changeset(s) there.
> 
> You have to repeat this until the area which you are going to clean is
> free of tracks=2.
> 
> Note: If you are looking at the area between Dortmund and Cologne -
> there are lots of ways with tracks=2 from old times (about 4 to 7 years
> ago) because tracks=2 has not been removed when the second track was
> added to OSM.
> 
>> But in Dutch (as you will know) there is a wonderful expression about
>> trying to mop up (a flooded bathroom) while the tap is still running. We
>> need to turn the tap off and stop this getting any worse. 
>> 
>> It's starting to sound like a candidate for a user block until the user
>> engages in some kind of dialog.
> 
> I have asked DWG to block him (0-hour-block) because he has been
> notified about his errors several times:
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34049497 (21 days ago in German)
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34264606 (11 days ago in English)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34313237 (7 days ago in English)
> 
> It is not the first time that a user used tracks=2 the wrong way. There
> were/are users from time to time who add tracks=2 because there was a
> map by ITO rendering tracks=2. I asked the people from ITO to shut down
> this map a few days ago to prevent future abuse of tracks=2 as tagging
> for the renderer. I thank ITO for their quick reaction (the took the map
> offline). http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/1
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Michael aka Nakaner
> 
> [1] via my cleanup account Nakaner-repair
> 
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