[OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 134, Issue 11

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On October 7, 2015 11:53:10 AM kassy taylor <sdog8000 at gmail.com> wrote:

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>    1. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Michael Reichert)
>    2. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Richard Mann)
>    3. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)
>    4. Re: User WJtW - railway track counts (Colin Smale)
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> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:57:49 +0200
> From: Michael Reichert <nakaner at gmx.net>
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> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] User WJtW - railway track counts
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> Hi,
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> Am 2015-10-07 um 10:24 schrieb Richard Mann:
>> Putting tracks=1 on multiple parallel tracks is also potentially
>> misleading. It's a method of tagging that's been superseded by drawing each
>> line separately.
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>> So I took to adding passenger_lines=N, to avoid a compatability conflict. I
>> only did N=1 or N>=4, though.
>>
>> I'd suggest converting the tagging to tracks=1+passenger_lines=2.
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> You can find the tag detail=track on lots of tracks in South-West
> Germany instead of tracks=1.
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> I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at
> railway tagging for a while, though.
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> From: Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
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> What is "track_detail=yes"? I can't find it anywhere in the (English)
> wiki...
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> //colin
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> On 2015-10-07 11:11, Richard Mann wrote:
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>> I added track_detail=yes, to achieve much the same end. I haven't looked at 
>> railway tagging for a while, though.
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> Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 11:20:57 +0200
> From: Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
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> Thanks for contacting DWG, Michael.
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> It is not limited to tracks=2 by the way - I have seen examples of four
> tracks, all with tracks=4...
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> --colin
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> On 2015-10-07 10:56, Michael Reichert wrote:
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>> Hi.
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>> Am 2015-10-07 um 10:03 schrieb Colin Smale:
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>>> I am not sure it would be vandalism - It is more likely a
>>> misunderstanding of the intention of the tracks=* tag. But it is very
>>> damaging, and potentially hard to revert as this has been going on for
>>> some time and newer edits may have been made. It may need something like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> * Get all changesets from WJtW
>>> * get all railway tracks from those changesets with tracks>1
>>> * search back through the history to find where the tag was added
>>> * see if it was user WJtW that did it
>>> * If so, remove the tracks=* tag.
>>
>> I (a German railway mapper) have been notified by another user about
>> WJtW's edits last week. I [1] have already started reverting parts of
>> his edits. That's the way I did it:
>>
>> - Search for railway=rail + tracks=2 via Overpass Turbo (with meta as
>> output variant)
>> - Pick out one way of the result. If its last edited was done by WJtW, I
>> had a lookat the changeset which did this edit using Achavi. If the
>> changeset was mostly adding of tracks=2, I reverted it. Sometimes I did
>> partial reverts if only parts of the changeset were bad.
>> - If the last edit of the way was done by another user, I had a look
>> into the way's history and looked for the bad changeset(s) there.
>>
>> You have to repeat this until the area which you are going to clean is
>> free of tracks=2.
>>
>> Note: If you are looking at the area between Dortmund and Cologne -
>> there are lots of ways with tracks=2 from old times (about 4 to 7 years
>> ago) because tracks=2 has not been removed when the second track was
>> added to OSM.
>>
>>> But in Dutch (as you will know) there is a wonderful expression about
>>> trying to mop up (a flooded bathroom) while the tap is still running. We
>>> need to turn the tap off and stop this getting any worse.
>>>
>>> It's starting to sound like a candidate for a user block until the user
>>> engages in some kind of dialog.
>>
>> I have asked DWG to block him (0-hour-block) because he has been
>> notified about his errors several times:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34049497 (21 days ago in German)
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34264606 (11 days ago in English)
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/34313237 (7 days ago in English)
>>
>> It is not the first time that a user used tracks=2 the wrong way. There
>> were/are users from time to time who add tracks=2 because there was a
>> map by ITO rendering tracks=2. I asked the people from ITO to shut down
>> this map a few days ago to prevent future abuse of tracks=2 as tagging
>> for the renderer. I thank ITO for their quick reaction (the took the map
>> offline). http://www.itoworld.com/map/group/1
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Michael aka Nakaner
>>
>> [1] via my cleanup account Nakaner-repair
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