[OSM-talk] [BOT] [RFC]: water surfaces

[Greg Morgan]

Context Please!

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Frank Villaro-Dixon <frank at villaro-dixon.eu>
wrote:

> On 16-03-23 13:24:29, Andy Townsend, wrote 1.0K characters saying:
>
>> On 23/03/2016 12:22, Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote:
>>
>>> On 16-03-23 12:20:35, Andy Townsend, wrote 0.3K characters saying:
>>>
>>>> On 23/03/2016 12:07, Frank Villaro-Dixon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, that's not the goal if it. As said above, the role is NOT to
>>>>> change
>>>>> tags, but to remove redundancies.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter.  All of the screed that I wrote yesterday applies to
>>>> "redundant data" too - we need to understand how it got there, and what
>>>> actually is wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep,
>>> as I said on another mail:
>>>
>>
>> Link please.  You've said lots of things, but much seemed very "handwavy"
>> and not really understanding of the issues.
>>
> TODO
>
>>
>> the majority comes from two 'bad' imports.
>>>
>>
>>

I looked back at the talk archives.  There's no context for this
discussion.  The moment I see something that says it is because of bad
imports, I start thinking that the issue and the supporting data is tainted.




> Link please - exactly which ones, run by whom and when?
>>
> Complete list (generated by me; source on git) is here:
> http://pastebin.com/Cn7gyn76
>
> Statistics are here:
> http://pastebin.com/KrZWJY6j
>
>
> Extract:
>     16 CanVec_Import_2009
>     16 PGS & Bing
>     22 PGS
>     23 Yahoo
>

Yahoo as a bad import?  How about a new mapper doing the best that they can
to improve the map added a few tags that a more experienced mapper can
build on?


>     36 CANVEC
>     38 JOSM lakewalker plugin
>


Where I see someone like Norm Abram[1] make these wonderful jigs and
patterns as labor saving devices for wood working, based on the limited
context, you are saying that the same labor saving Josm Lakewaker plugin to
help a mapper trace a lake is an import or a bad import?


>     39 bing
>     39 Lakewalker / Landsat
>

Ditto.


>     44 KSJ2
>     54 Landsat
>     56 CanVec 6.0 - NRCan
>     57 IRS
>     63 NRCan-CanVec-8.0
>    118 landsat
>    121 Bing
>    123 NRCan-CanVec-7.0
>    437 Kartverket N50
>    802 NRCan-CanVec-10.0
>   1476
>   1708 NHD
>

The importers that provided me all the NHD data are my heroes.  Those
imports gave me a great deal of material to work with.

In my case, you'll have to provide more context here.  I look at OSM
Inspector and Keep Right and see all these broken things.  That is a
beautiful discovery.  Mappers are trying to improve the map that is very
much a human endeavor and mistake prone.  I am just lost how everything is
a bad import.

Please Advise,
Greg


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Abram
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