[OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

[Mikel Maron]

I agree there are several parts of the OpenStreetMap software ecosystem where there's a healthy developer process. openstreetmap-carto and iD come to mind. Search and routing. Part of the issue with the main website -> it's a monolith, encompassing many different components. Sign up & authentication, messaging and communication, data exploration, the API. Andy Allan has been doing great work lately to make development on the rails app cleaner and more approachable. A good next step to consider is further isolating components, and the stakeholders on those components, so that development discussion and plans can become more focused.
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

    On Tuesday, November 21, 2017, 10:36:05 AM EST, Matthijs Melissen <info at matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote:  
 
 On 21 November 2017 at 14:47, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski
<me at komzpa.net> wrote:
> "I'm worried about this. I have not performed a technical review." as a
> blocker for PR merge:
> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2939
>
> Basically, most of wide ~2011 dev community was hired away, and core is in
> hands of those who weren't hired away by Map* for whatever reason, be that
> lack of social skills or lack of technical skills. You've got no fresh
> blood, and there's no road map for it to improve.

I can't speak for the other projects, but at least towards
openstreetmap-carto this is very unfair criticism. In fact, what
you're describing is something I've been actively trying to combat
with openstreetmap-carto. Our project has added 8 maintainers, 4 of
which have been added over the past two years. Also in the last two
years, 22 people have contributed code through pull requests. So it's
certainly not true that it's impossible to get something merged into
the project.

Your criticism of the comment on your PR is not fair either, the
comment 'I'm worried about this' was referring to an earlier, more
detailed response, by me:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2939#issuecomment-343258037

> Basically, most of wide ~2011 dev community was hired away, and core is in hands of those who weren't hired away by Map* for whatever reason, be that lack of social skills or lack of technical skills.

Either that, or they like to fiddle with maps at night time, and have
a day job in a more lucrative industry.

-- Matthijs

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