[OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Mon Sep 25 06:14:09 UTC 2017

The purpose of the default rendering is to give feedback to mappers.
Preferably local mappers, so having the map rendered in local languages
shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to use OSM data as a tourist use OsmAND or MAPS.ME and set a
language of your choice.

If other projects need tiles for their own purposes/user base, they should
render them to their liking and make them available.


2017-09-25 7:56 GMT+02:00 Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi <
e.marascalchi at gmail.com>:

> my 2 cents:
> having a 2 layers map, one with local languages rendered, the second with
> english ones when present as first choice, then local when not
> Il 25 set 2017 7:14 AM, "Yves" <yvecai at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>> If the OSMF tile servers were to be used to provide webmaps for a vast
>> audience, I would understand double labeling in English.
>> That not the primary purpose, though.
>> Yves
>> Le 24 septembre 2017 23:01:00 GMT+02:00, Matthijs Melissen <
>> info at matthijsmelissen.nl> a écrit :
>>> Hi all,
>>> I would like to ask for your opinion on the choice of language used in
>>> the Default map on openstreetmap.org.
>>> This map (based on the openstreetmap-carto style) currently displays
>>> all labels in their native language (as defined in the 'name' tag).
>>> For example, we have a label 北京市 for Beijing, a label موريتانيا for
>>> Mauritania, and a label Magyarország for Hungary.
>>> The openstreetmap-carto team quite frequently receives requests to
>>> (additionally) display labels in English (or in any case the
>>> Latin-alphabet). The people making these requests state that the map
>>> is currently not very usable for an international audience, as many
>>> people are not able to read labels in for example Arabic or Mandarin.
>>> Some areas where this problem is particularly visible:
>>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/803#issuecomment-330782700
>>> A prominent case of such a request is from the Gnome Maps team, who
>>> decided not to use the Default style for this reason:
>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764841#c35
>>> From an ideologic viewpoint, I am very much in favour of not giving
>>> preferential treatment to any particular language. Using the local
>>> language seems fair in this respect. On the other hand, from a
>>> pragmatic point of view I can also see that using English (in
>>> addition) would significantly increase the usefulness of the map to
>>> many people.
>>> I would be interested to know what others think about this. An option,
>>> for example, would be to display countries names, and perhaps the
>>> names of big cities, in English as well as in the local language.
>>> Note: making the map available in multiple language versions is
>>> something we like to do in the future, however, this requires quite
>>> significant technical changes. Therefore, this is out of scope for
>>> now.
>>> More information on this issue can be found on Github:
>>> https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/803
>>> I'm looking forward to your opinions.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Matthijs Melissen
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