[OSM-talk] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych ? names of international objects

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

On 12/7/19 02:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
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> sent from a phone
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>> On 6. Dec 2019, at 15:16, pangoSE <pangose at riseup.net> wrote:
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>> I believe that we should deprecate all wikipedia links as they are 
>> just potentially obsolete cruft that can be inferred from the 
>> wikidata item. (I am also an editor of Wikidata)
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>> If you really want the Wikipedia link displayed fix your editor to 
>> fetch the local wikipedia link (if any) for your local language in 
>> addition to the label and description.
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> I know that people are assuming that a wikipedia article in language x 
> has approximately the same content as another one in language y that 
> is linked to it, but this is not the case. There are often significant 
> differences, even if many articles are translations from the English 
> version. Wikidata is another thing. It all started with one wikidata 
> object for every article, but as the project grows and people edit it 
> (yes, not only bots are editing wikidata), their objects get split and 
> refined (subgroups of objects). A common example are settlements. In 
> wikipedia, political and socio-geographic entities are often covered 
> in the same article (or they are combined in one language and split in 
> another). In wikidata (and even more in OpenStreetMap), these tend to 
> get split over several objects. Wikipedia tends to aggregate several 
> aspects of a thing into one article, wikidata tends to separating the 
> concepts.
>
> If someone adds a wikipedia link for something, you can see by the 
> language which specific article she has read and linked (confirmed). 
> It does not automatically imply that all wikipedia articles in other 
> languages would also fit for the OpenStreetMap object that has gotten 
> the tag. Even less for wikidata (which usually only deals with part of 
> an article, which is not necessarily the one which fits for the object).
>
> Just have a look, it happens all the time, another typical case for 
> issues are buildings and things inside the buildings (museums, 
> governments, whatever). Maybe it is less of an issue with natural 
> places (mountains, seas, etc), but in the cultural world it is almost 
> ubiquitous.
>
> Cheers Martin
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Good morning Martin,

Here is, for example, the article for the Louvre museum in Englsh: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louvre . On the left part of this page 
there is the link "Wikidata item", which leads to this wikidata page: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19675

On the wikidata page there are links to the Wikipedia articles of this 
museum in dozens of languages. This particular museum is of an interest 
to the large number of people from many countries for numerous reasons 
(tourists, researches, students, etc.). I assume that the absolute 
majority of these people will not read the article in English or in 
French, but rather in their mother tongue.

Usually any significant Wikipedia article has got its respective 
wikidata item. If it does not have it, it could be created easily. So 
instead of adding a Wikipedia article of a museum in a specific 
language, the wikida item with the links to this articles in all 
available languages could be added. Then in a map editor or on a map web 
page, a visitor could be shown the link to the article in her/his 
language of choice immediately. So that the visitor could go to the 
Wikipedia article directly. But not first to the Wikipedia article in a 
foreign language and then search manually for the link to the article in 
his mother tongue on the HTML page.

Or even better, he could be presented with a drop-down list of this 
Wikipedia article in all available language versions with the article in 
his language of choice preselected. The Wikidata is the structured 
database, so its contents can be accesses in a complex programmatic 
manner. While the Wikipedia article is an HTML page, so basically it is 
the final destination for a program. Only human can read it and go 
father from it manually.

Best regards,

Oleksiy



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