[OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

Nuno Caldeira nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com
Tue Jul 23 22:55:21 UTC 2019

Yes it is and  when they reply:

> The Livestream Platform does not utilize the Open Street Map site or 
> any of the data that you're referring to. We have always used another 
> mapping service to integrate locations within our event and have no 
> ties to OpenStreetMap.
And then you send a OSM History Viewer link of when you added on OSM 
with a printscreen of that same element on their website.

Às 23:48 de 23/07/2019, James escreveu:
> It's kind of funny when people deny osm data as it has it's own sort 
> flavour that differentiates it from google, bing, here, etc. It's 
> instantly recognizable.
> On Tue., Jul. 23, 2019, 6:43 p.m. Nuno Caldeira, 
> <nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com <mailto:nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>     Months go by nothing happens. here's another example from
>     LiveStream, a Vimeo service.They have a map (example, press "i"
>     https://livestream.com/accounts/23202872/events/7200883 ) , asked
>     to add the attribution, they replied they do not use OSM tiles or
>     data, which i kindly asked how they had my contributions on their
>     map. They stopped replying, short after saying they would
>     investigate.
>     Guess what tiles they are using? Mapbox. Screenshot
>     https://i.ibb.co/0njPFyy/ssdasd.jpg
>     Does OSMF need these corporates member that keep acting like this?
>     Who are the first not complying with what the community wanted
>     when we switched from CC to ODbL? Still the board hasn't replied
>     to my request to terminate Facebook license
>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082653.html
>     Funnily, Facebook shared this today
>     https://tech.fb.com/ai-is-supercharging-the-creation-of-maps-around-the-world/
>     As a reminder of OSMF articles
>     https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association
>>         OBJECTS
>>     3. The Foundation is established for the purposes listed below:
>>         (1) encouraging the growth, development and distribution of
>>         free geospatial data; and
>>         (2) providing geospatial data for anybody to use and share.
>     Are these companies encouraging the use, the growth and
>     distribution of OSM, by repeatedly and after being asked several
>     times to show the attribution?
>     Do we need to ask the board to expel those corporate members
>     (equivalent to associate member)?
>>     18. The board may only resolve to expel a person as member or
>>     associate member if, in the board's reasonable opinion, that
>>     person's conduct interferes or is likely to interfere with the
>>     Foundation _*achieving one or more of its objects*_. 
>     Who's in need more of who? OpenStreetMap or these companies? this
>     is not acceptable and OSMF needs to act as companies, their
>     clients clearly do not care when contributors contact them asking
>     to comply. This is a snowball going downhill with more and more
>     companies doing what facebook does and not attribution and stop
>     replying to the contributors request to add the attribution. Guess
>     we or OSMF is too soft on this.
>     When we switch this was plain and explicit:
>     *Both licenses are “By Attribution”* and “Share Alike”.
>>         Can I trust the OpenStreetMap Foundation ?
>>     The Foundation is "dedicated to encouraging the growth,
>>     development and distribution of free geospatial data and to
>>     providing geospatial data for anybody to use and share.", (
>>     http://www.osmfoundation.org ).
>>     But what happens if the Foundation is taken over by people with
>>     commercial interests?
>>       * You still own the rights to any data you contribute, not the
>>         Foundation. In the new Contributor Terms, you license the
>>         Foundation to publish the data for others to use and ONLY
>>         under a free and open license.
>>       * The Foundation is not allowed to take your contribution and
>>         release it under a commercial license.
>>       * If the Foundation fails to publish under only a free and open
>>         license, it has broken its contract with you. A copy of the
>>         existing data can be made and released by a different body.
>>       * If a change is made to another free and open license, it is
>>         active contributors who decide yes or no, not the Foundation.
>     from
>     https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Historic/We_Are_Changing_The_License#What_are_the_main_differences_between_the_old_and_the_new_license.3F
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