[OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

Nuno Caldeira nunocapelocaldeira at gmail.com
Fri Jul 26 09:09:18 UTC 2019

i share the thoughts and concerns shared by Christoph. It's not 
surprisingly that most of these companies are "tied" or are 
client/service providers of each other, some are even Corporate members 
of OSMF. Who would bite the hand the feeds?

Blaming third party media outlets, when Facebook article title is "AI is 
supercharging the creation of maps around the world" says a lot. What 
maps? Bit of misleading title oh well, not clear enough. #options

Also the video they have on the article shows in the end the 
attribution. Funnily uploaded on Vimeo, that regarding this 
replied me yesterday mentioning they are having an investigation between 
their engineers and their legal department to add the attribution on the 
map on their LiveStream platform.... hope it does not take as long as 
the steam engine speed legal dept of facebook that still hasn't figured 
out since October what to do about the attribution as when they replied 
to me in October 2018, as reported here 

> For a *tv, film or video production*, the attribution should typically 
> appear in a corner of the map. *As long as the credit is on screen 
> long enough to be read*, it does not have to remain in view during 
> panning or zooming. For productions with end credits, *we would also 
> welcome a credit there*


Às 09:34 de 26/07/2019, Christoph Hormann escreveu:
> On Friday 26 July 2019, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> This is probably normal for corporate PR people, but for me it's just
>> disgusting.
> And in that conflict in my eyes you can see the core of the problem.
> The corporate appropriation of OpenStreetMap and the OSM community has
> meanwhile all the characteristics of a cult.  You can see in the
> reactions of corporate representatives here - as well as in other cases
> where corporate PR misrepresenting OSM is presented, see for example
> the comments to the Facebook diary entry that has been linked to or in
> the discussion with the Thailand community, that many of them are so
> detached from the reality of the hobby mapper community and
> non-corporate data users that functional communication is essentially
> not possible any more.
> I have no solution for this - at least none that works within OSM alone.
> But i have strong doubts meanwhile that arguing with people who are
> fully immersed into the belief system of corporate PR regarding OSM is
> of benefit in most cases.  This in itself is a pretty frightening
> realization.
> There is a famous saying (not sure of its origin) - that fits pretty
> well here:  It is hard to make people understand something if their
> livelihood depends on not understanding it.
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