[OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

pangoSE pangose at riseup.net
Sun Aug 9 11:05:54 UTC 2020

These are valid concerns. See my response to James.
If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/

It takes a few minutes plus some configuration time.

In fact this might be much better than forcing our data into wikidata which is very tied to education and does not accept all our objects that have names currently.

In case we take this route I would recommend having another prefix than Q for our unique ids.


Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 12:16:33 CEST)
>or has downtime? or deletes data/items used by OSM? or bans OSM
>or refuses to ban vandal/troll/harasser? or fails to ban them quickly?
>Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 by james2432 at gmail.com:
>> is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist?
>> On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m. pangoSE, <> pangose at riseup.net> >
>>> I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and
>updating names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.
>>> The rationale is explained here:
>>> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655
>>> This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well.
>Every OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the
>names or add name references (through the editors)
>>> Substantial changes will have to be made:
>>> * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata
>somehow. It could probably be done on the fly.
>>> * >> openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>>>  will need to
>fetch from wikidata when displaying any object. 
>>> * rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from
>>> * all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata
>>> * maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We
>should unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on
>how to do that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on >> osm.org
><http://osm.org>>>  and ask users to create a Wikimedia account instead
>and log in with that? 
>>> I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM
>closer than the islands they are today.
>>> As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already
>prefer Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply
>better quality, better modeled, better referenced and better protected
>against vandalism.
>>> WDYT?
>>> Cheers
>>> pangoSE
>>> Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but
>to the wider ecosystem._______________________________________________
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>>>  >> talk at openstreetmap.org
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