[OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

Stefano sabas88 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 9 11:40:00 UTC 2020


More than deprecating name=* to replace with Wikidata, it would be needed
deprecating it in favour of name:<Lang>=* and leaving to the client the
decision of what language to render.
It would partially solve the multilanguage issue...

Stefano

On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, 13:11 pangoSE, <pangose at riseup.net> wrote:

> These are valid concerns. See my response to James.
> If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own
> wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/
>
> It takes a few minutes plus some configuration time.
>
> In fact this might be much better than forcing our data into wikidata
> which is very tied to education and does not accept all our objects that
> have names currently.
>
> In case we take this route I would recommend having another prefix than Q
> for our unique ids.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti
> 2020 12:16:33 CEST)
>>
>> or has downtime? or deletes data/items used by OSM? or bans OSM mappers?
>> or refuses to ban vandal/troll/harasser? or fails to ban them quickly?
>>
>> Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 by james2432 at gmail.com:
>>
>> is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist?
>>
>> On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m. pangoSE, <pangose at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating
>> names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.
>>
>> The rationale is explained here:
>> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655
>>
>> This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well.
>> Every OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the
>> names or add name references (through the editors)
>>
>> Substantial changes will have to be made:
>> * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It
>> could probably be done on the fly.
>> * openstreetmap.org will need to fetch from wikidata when displaying any
>> object.
>> * rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from wikidata.
>> * all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata objects.
>> * maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We should
>> unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on how to do
>> that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on osm.org and ask users to
>> create a Wikimedia account instead and log in with that?
>>
>> I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM closer
>> than the islands they are today.
>>
>> As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already
>> prefer Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better
>> quality, better modeled, better referenced and better protected against
>> vandalism.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>> Cheers
>> pangoSE
>> Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but to
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