[OSM-talk] Cyclofix project

joost schouppe joost.schouppe at gmail.com
Mon Aug 10 14:49:06 UTC 2020


Hi Morten,

The site works without a database, so requires very little upkeep. The team
that worked on it is very enthusiastic about the project and at least four
of the five people who built this during Open Summer of Code are still
involved as volunteers. Our partners from the government also seem quite
enthused to keep using it on some of their websites, and friends at the
pro-cycle movement were also inspired. We are looking for ways to be able
to keep working on this in a more structural way, but for now I suspect our
enthusiasm will keep it afloat. The tool is now already in production for
two "official" projects.

For cyclofix, there's some things in my personal backlog:
- add all the layers here: https://cyclofix.osm.be/docs/using-data-map/
(now there's an example for "where to buy a bike", but all the layers
should be explained there)
- add more info to the public wiki - most of our thinking is described here
https://github.com/osmbe/cyclofix-website/issues/4 , and I have been
editing the wiki to make some things clearer. I also aim to extend this
page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service:bicycle

With Pieter Fiers, we've also been thinking about creating a proposal for a
pub subtag, which could be used to refine cafe and pub with a certain
"style"; e.g. "an Irish pub" or a "cyclist oriented pub". For now we just
say "if it is a pub/cafe and has cycle services or a cycling club, it's a
cycle café"

I believe Pieter Vander Vennet also has some ideas on how to make the
overpass-queries behind the data more visible to end users, so the "real
OSM people" can easily get an idea of our choices.

We have tried to keep the entire Cyclofix project documented and easily
replicable (including "how to organise a cyclofix mapping party") on
https://cyclofix.osm.be/

If you want to be a little more closely involved: most of our team is
included in community (at) osm.be , and we've also created a Matrix
chatroom.

Best,
Joost

Op ma 10 aug. 2020 om 16:07 schreef Morten Lange via talk <
talk at openstreetmap.org>:

> Thanks for your hepful response (below).
> And sorry that I "re-sent"  my questions in a slightly different way.
>
> However, there were two new points.
> One question about the life expectancy of the current site
> and one suggestion or inspiration (By some possibly perceived as wishful
> thinking):
>
> I enjoyed testing your solution, and I would like to announce it to others
> to try.
> But I suppose continued operation of the current site is uncertain?
> That fact(?) holds me back a bit, except for "geeks"  and bicycle+map
> affectionados.
>
> Ideally The European Cyclists Federation or even UNEP or some other big
> organisation would offer to support operations of such a site, and cater
> for large traffic loads and continued development for, say, a 10 year
> period  :-)
> In the larger picture the costs would be quie low!
>
> --
> Regards / Kveðja / Kila la heri / Hilsen
> Morten Lange
>
>
> On Sunday, 9 August 2020, 16:25:52 CEST, Pieter Fiers <pieter at pfiers.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one !
> > For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair
> specific map, including bicycle cafés.
>
> Thanks, us as well ;)
>
> >  What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of
> how you classify the nodes that are to be included in the different map
> "layers".
> > Which search is it that produces the bicycle cafés. (And what takes
> precedence if two or more criteria are fulfilled?)
>
> An excellent question, and something we want to improve in a future
> version (the discoverability and ease-of-use of the "layer" definitions).
>
> To answer the bicycle cafés question in the context of the current
> version:
> Take a look at
> https://github.com/pietervdvn/MapComplete/blob/master/Customizations/Layers/BikeCafes.ts#L23.
> That overpass filter/query can basically be written as: "a pub/bar/cafe
> with pub=cycling or any bicycle:service" (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WSU
> ).
>
> With regards to precedence, both POI's would be shown (not ideal). With
> the current definitions this might happen if there's an overlap on shop=bicycle,
> amenity=pub/bar/cafe, amenity=bicycle_parking or amenity=
> bicycle_repair_station.
>
> > I agree with making a distinction between "pure" bicycle shops  and
> general sport shops that offer bicycles or  repair of bicycles.
>
> For "pure" bicycle shops we use shop=bicycle, for "other" shops (general
> sports equipment stores) we use shop=* + any bicycle:service:* tag.
>
> We're excited for the future and we're continuing work on making the
> project more user-friendly and approachable!
>
>
> Thanks for the kind words and with kind regards,
> Pieter Fiers
>
>
> On 05/08/2020 00:39, Morten Lange wrote:
>
> Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one !
>
> For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific
> map, including bicycle cafés.
>
> What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how
> you classify the nodes that are to be included in the differewnt map
> "layers".  Which search is it that produces the bicycle cafés. (And what
> takes precedence if two or more criteria are fulfilled?)
>
> I agree with making a distinction between "pure" bicycle shops  and
> general sport shops that offer bicycles or  repair of bicycles.
> However, the way Cyclofix has decided to differentiate is not self-evident
> to me, after briefly checking your documentation. I must admit that I did
> not really consider looking at the source-code  ;-)
>
> --
> Regards / Kveðja / Kila la heri / Hilsen
> Morten Lange
>
>
> On Wednesday, 29 July 2020, 19:43:38 CEST, Pieter Fiers
> <pieter at pfiers.net> <pieter at pfiers.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear OSM community,
>
> My name is Pierre Barban. A team composed of three very motivated
> students, including myself, and lead by two active members of the
> OSMbe, have been mandated by the region of Brussels, Belgium, to create a
> map gathering all kind of data related to cycling. Without a doubt,
> OpenStreetMap was the perfect tool for us to create a powerful platform
> that would sustain over the years.
>
> In the framework of month-long online code camp organized by the
> non-profit Open Knowledge Belgium <https://be.okfn.org/>, we have been
> able to establish the first version of the tool
> <https://cyclofix.osm.be/map/>, organized a mapathon
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5dVjDt5QAE> to collect data, and create
> a complete website <https://cyclofix.osm.be/> to document the entire
> making process.
>
> In accordance with the OSM core values, it would be very valuable for our
> project as well as our individual learning process to receive as many
> constructive comments from the community as possible. If you're interested
> in more details about the project, we will be giving an online
> presentation
> <https://www.eventbrite.be/e/open-summer-of-code-2020-demo-day-live-streaming-registration-112787885602> tomorrow
> July 30, 2020 at 1pm CEST. We will be available to directly discuss after
> the presentation to receive feedback in order to keep improving our
> project. Other related project from our program, Open Summer of Code
> <https://osoc.be/>, like the Bike Data Project - which aims to collect
> and share cyclist commute data in an opened way - will also be presented to
> you.
>
> Please do not hesitate to contact me for further information,
>
> thank you for your time and help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Pierre Barban, from the Cyclofix project.
>
> *Sent by Pieter Fiers <pieter at pfiers.net> <pieter at pfiers.net>, another
> student of the team.*
>
> *Pierre Barban*
> University Panthéon-Sorbonne Paris I – Class of 2020
> *Masters in Economics of Sustainable Development*
> pierre.barban at gmail.com | +33 7 68 72 92 54
>
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