[OSM-talk] Cyclofix project

Morten Lange morten7an at yahoo.com
Wed Aug 12 12:28:55 UTC 2020


Hi Joost
Looks cool !I would like to discuss tagging issues and more with you, but  during the next month I will be too busy... 
-- Regards / Kveðja / Kila la heri / Hilsen Morten Lange, Oslo, Norway 

    On Monday, 10 August 2020, 16:57:52 CEST, joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Morten,
The site works without a database, so requires very little upkeep. The team that worked on it is very enthusiastic about the project and at least four of the five people who built this during Open Summer of Code are still involved as volunteers. Our partners from the government also seem quite enthused to keep using it on some of their websites, and friends at the pro-cycle movement were also inspired. We are looking for ways to be able to keep working on this in a more structural way, but for now I suspect our enthusiasm will keep it afloat. The tool is now already in production for two "official" projects.

For cyclofix, there's some things in my personal backlog:- add all the layers here: https://cyclofix.osm.be/docs/using-data-map/ (now there's an example for "where to buy a bike", but all the layers should be explained there)- add more info to the public wiki - most of our thinking is described here https://github.com/osmbe/cyclofix-website/issues/4 , and I have been editing the wiki to make some things clearer. I also aim to extend this page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:service:bicycle
With Pieter Fiers, we've also been thinking about creating a proposal for a pub subtag, which could be used to refine cafe and pub with a certain "style"; e.g. "an Irish pub" or a "cyclist oriented pub". For now we just say "if it is a pub/cafe and has cycle services or a cycling club, it's a cycle café"
I believe Pieter Vander Vennet also has some ideas on how to make the overpass-queries behind the data more visible to end users, so the "real OSM people" can easily get an idea of our choices.
We have tried to keep the entire Cyclofix project documented and easily replicable (including "how to organise a cyclofix mapping party") on https://cyclofix.osm.be/
If you want to be a little more closely involved: most of our team is included in community (at) osm.be , and we've also created a Matrix chatroom.

Best,Joost

Op ma 10 aug. 2020 om 16:07 schreef Morten Lange via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org>:

Thanks for your hepful response (below).And sorry that I "re-sent"  my questions in a slightly different way.
However, there were two new points. 
One question about the life expectancy of the current site and one suggestion or inspiration (By some possibly perceived as wishful thinking): 
I enjoyed testing your solution, and I would like to announce it to others to try. 
But I suppose continued operation of the current site is uncertain?
That fact(?) holds me back a bit, except for "geeks"  and bicycle+map affectionados.   

Ideally The European Cyclists Federation or even UNEP or some other big organisation would offer to support operations of such a site, and cater for large traffic loads and continued development for, say, a 10 year period  :-)  
In the larger picture the costs would be quie low! 
-- Regards / Kveðja / Kila la heri / Hilsen Morten Lange 

    On Sunday, 9 August 2020, 16:25:52 CEST, Pieter Fiers <pieter at pfiers.net> wrote:  
 
  > Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one ! > For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific map, including bicycle cafés.
 
  Thanks, us as well ;)
 
 >  What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how you classify the nodes that are to be included in the different map "layers". 
 > Which search is it that produces the bicycle cafés. (And what takes precedence if two or more criteria are fulfilled?)
 
 An excellent question, and something we want to improve in a future version (the discoverability and ease-of-use of the "layer" definitions). 
 
 To answer the bicycle cafés question in the context of the current version: 
 Take a look at https://github.com/pietervdvn/MapComplete/blob/master/Customizations/Layers/BikeCafes.ts#L23. That overpass filter/query can basically be written as: "a pub/bar/cafe with pub=cycling or any bicycle:service" (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/WSU).
 
 With regards to precedence, both POI's would be shown (not ideal). With the current definitions this might happen if there's an overlap on shop=bicycle, amenity=pub/bar/cafe, amenity=bicycle_parking or amenity=bicycle_repair_station.
 
 > I agree with making a distinction between "pure" bicycle shops  and general sport shops that offer bicycles or  repair of bicycles. 
 
 For "pure" bicycle shops we use shop=bicycle, for "other" shops (general sports equipment stores) we use shop=* + any bicycle:service:* tag.
 
 We're excited for the future and we're continuing work on making the project more user-friendly and approachable!
 
 
 Thanks for the kind words and with kind regards,
 Pieter Fiers
 
 
 On 05/08/2020 00:39, Morten Lange wrote:
  
 
     Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one ! 
  For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific map, including bicycle cafés. 
  What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how you classify the nodes that are to be included in the differewnt map "layers".  Which search is it that produces the bicycle cafés. (And what takes precedence if two or more criteria are fulfilled?) 
  I agree with making a distinction between "pure" bicycle shops  and general sport shops that offer bicycles or  repair of bicycles. 
 However, the way Cyclofix has decided to differentiate is not self-evident to me, after briefly checking your documentation. I must admit that I did not really consider looking at the source-code  ;-)  
   --  Regards / Kveðja / Kila la heri / Hilsen  Morten Lange    
  
            On Wednesday, 29 July 2020, 19:43:38 CEST, Pieter Fiers <pieter at pfiers.net> wrote:  
  
     Dear OSM community,  
  My name is Pierre Barban. A team composed of three very motivated students, including myself, and lead by two active members of the OSMbe, have been mandated by the region of Brussels, Belgium, to create a map gathering all kind of data related to cycling. Without a doubt, OpenStreetMap was the perfect tool for us to create a powerful platform that would sustain over the years.  
  In the framework of month-long online code camp organized by the non-profit Open Knowledge Belgium, we have been able to establish the first version of the tool, organized a mapathon to collect data, and create a complete website to document the entire making process.  
  In accordance with the OSM core values, it would be very valuable for our project as well as our individual learning process to receive as many constructive comments from the community as possible. If you're interested in more details about the project, we will be giving an online presentation tomorrow July 30, 2020 at 1pm CEST. We will be available to directly discuss after the presentation to receive feedback in order to keep improving our project. Other related project from our program, Open Summer of Code, like the Bike Data Project - which aims to collect and share cyclist commute data in an opened way - will also be presented to you.   
  Please do not hesitate to contact me for further information, 
  thank you for your time and help. 
  Sincerely, 
  Pierre Barban, from the Cyclofix project.
 
 Sent by Pieter Fiers <pieter at pfiers.net>, another student of the team.
  
        Pierre Barban 
 University Panthéon-Sorbonne Paris I – Class of 2020
 Masters in Economics of Sustainable Development
 pierre.barban at gmail.com | +33 7 68 72 92 54
 
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