[OSM-talk] time to review

[john whelan]

I would suggest that if someone could identify a list of mapping tasks
suitable for beginners that might help this sort of thing happening again.

I'd done a fair amount of validation of HOT tasks in the past which I'm
sure are similar and I'm more than aware of the amount of effort needed to
validate after new untrained enthusiastic mappers have been mapping.
Especially when they map only a couple of times.

I'm also aware that it does take a lot of knowledge and resources to clean
up afterwards.

Do we need a half page introduction to OSM?  Something along the lines of
if you are organising some sort of mapathon these are things you need to
consider and theses are the sort of things that have caused problems in the
past.  I get the feeling the enthusiastic organisers are going to do it
anyway but it help help a bit.

It doesn't help the present situation but it might help prevent more
problems in the future.

Cheerio John


On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 16:29 Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no> wrote:

> Hi Rory,
>
> let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole community, not
> just to me.
>
> BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of the
> University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM, that there's a
> local community of mappers already mapping, and with some experience in
> different fields.
>
> unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments to their
> changesets, or to consider complaints about their low quality of edits, and
> the sheer mass of beginners they throw into not-too-simple tasks.  recently
> they had their yearly "Gis Day", please don't ask me what it is, because I
> don't know, only that there's a hashtag being used once a year by the
> YouthMappers UP Chapter.  also please don't ask me who's inside this
> chapter, because I don't know.
>
> when Mateusz wrote to info at youthmappers.org about their organized editing
> activity without declaration of intents, the result of his writing was that
> HOT opened two projects on top of two areas we from the community were
> editing using the tasking manager from tareas.openstreetmap.co, forcing
> us to clean up the edits while they were coming in.  that's Santiago and
> Colón.
>
> in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the effort to close
> their project so they would stay away from the work which was anyway almost
> complete.
>
> in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP Chapter.
>
> there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says that they are
> reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart from beginner mapper
> agreenish <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish>, arguably adding
> to the mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing activity in either
> project.
> I will write a diary entry, with images, and will try to make it a
> structured presentation of what goes on here.  there's statistical data
> I've collected that shows just how organized the edits from YMUP, and I
> find it quite insulting, the mismatch between the words by YouthMappers
> International, the call for patience by HOT, and the continued
> self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do the cleaning up.
>
> you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing.  hopefully no
> YouthMappers there.
>
> ciao,
>
> Mario
>
>
> On 02/12/2020 15:52, Rory Nealon wrote:
>
> Hi Mario,
>
> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  I will try and contact the
> chapter and get an answer for you.  The last I heard was that they had
> begun to validate the tasks they had created.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Rory
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no> wrote:
>
>> Dear Rory,
>>
>> let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we should wait,
>> for the YMUP to review their edits?
>>
>> as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz assumes something
>> like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the complaint 4 days
>> after the edit — which he fixed himself.
>>
>> maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next day", which could
>> be "the next available day".
>>
>> in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not ongoing
>> activities.
>>
>> so, what is the time we should allow before concluding they abandoned
>> the location?
>>
>> a week?  (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)
>>
>> a month?  (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)
>>
>> a year?  (ah? next group, please?)
>>
>> best regards, Mario Frasca
>>
>>
>
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