[OSM-talk] time to review

Wed Dec 2 22:39:32 UTC 2020

Dear Steve, thank you for reminding me there's something called ESRI.

they approached the Telegram group in March last year:

https://t.me/Comunidad_OSM_Panama/1641 
<tg://resolve?domain=Comunidad_OSM_Panama&post=1641>

we were invited to a meeting, and I was able to accept the invitation.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Panam%C3%A1/Reuni%C3%B3n_2019-03-21

this was in preparation of an ESRI event celebrating the 500 years of 
the city of Panama.  I had always assumed the event never took place.  
and I now guess it was this GisDay.  was it around November13th 2019?  
please notice how downplayed the role of YMUP.

the activity in Guna Nega do seem to follow step 1 in my 
recommendations, and it disregards all subsequent steps, in particular 
the last one.

needless to say, I never received feedback, nor acknowledgement for the 
input I provided during the meeting.

oh well.

Mario

On 02/12/2020 16:44, Steve Friedl wrote:
>
> FWIW, GIS Day is a thing: https://www.gisday.com/en-us/overview 
> <https://www.gisday.com/en-us/overview>
>
> The local Governmental GIS Users group near me in California 
> celebrates it every year, though this year only virtually.
>
> No comment on the rest, just answering one data point.
>
> Steve
>
> ---
>
> Steve Friedl // Software guy + Volunteer mapper // Southern California USA
>
> steve at unixwiz.net [OSM:SJFriedl] // OpenStreetMap MWG //  Fix ALL the 
> maps!
>
> *From:* Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 2, 2020 1:24 PM
> *To:* Rory Nealon <rnealon at usaid.gov>
> *Cc:* OSM Talk <talk at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] time to review
>
> Hi Rory,
>
> let's include the list, so you're talking with the whole community, 
> not just to me.
>
> BACKGROUND: we're trying to have the YouthMappers Chapter of the 
> University of Panama consider they're mapping within OSM, that there's 
> a local community of mappers already mapping, and with some experience 
> in different fields.
>
> unfortunately, the YMUP Chapter refuses to reply to comments to their 
> changesets, or to consider complaints about their low quality of 
> edits, and the sheer mass of beginners they throw into not-too-simple 
> tasks.  recently they had their yearly "Gis Day", please don't ask me 
> what it is, because I don't know, only that there's a hashtag being 
> used once a year by the YouthMappers UP Chapter.  also please don't 
> ask me who's inside this chapter, because I don't know.
>
> when Mateusz wrote to info at youthmappers.org 
> <mailto:info at youthmappers.org> about their organized editing activity 
> without declaration of intents, the result of his writing was that HOT 
> opened two projects on top of two areas we from the community were 
> editing using the tasking manager from tareas.openstreetmap.co, 
> forcing us to clean up the edits while they were coming in.  that's 
> Santiago and Colón.
>
> in Santiago we reverted several changesets, and made the effort to 
> close their project so they would stay away from the work which was 
> anyway almost complete.
>
> in Colón we stopped editing downtown, leaving it to the YMUP Chapter.
>
> there's still no published plan from the chapter, Rory says that they 
> are reviewing the tasks they had opened, but apart from beginner 
> mapper agreenish <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/agreenish>, 
> arguably adding to the mass of mistakes, I don't see much editing 
> activity in either project.
>
> I will write a diary entry, with images, and will try to make it a 
> structured presentation of what goes on here.  there's statistical 
> data I've collected that shows just how organized the edits from YMUP, 
> and I find it quite insulting, the mismatch between the words by 
> YouthMappers International, the call for patience by HOT, and the 
> continued self-boasting by this local Chapter, while we need to do the 
> cleaning up.
>
> you know … I am editing Morocco, that's more relaxing. hopefully no 
> YouthMappers there.
>
> ciao,
>
> Mario
>
> On 02/12/2020 15:52, Rory Nealon wrote:
>
>     Hi Mario,
>
>     Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.  I will try and contact
>     the chapter and get an answer for you.  The last I heard was that
>     they had begun to validate the tasks they had created.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Rory
>
>     On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no
>     <mailto:mario at anche.no>> wrote:
>
>         Dear Rory,
>
>         let me insist, I wish to have an estimate of how long we
>         should wait,
>         for the YMUP to review their edits?
>
>         as you have read from his complaint to YMI, Markusz assumes
>         something
>         like "at the end of the day", even if he wrote the complaint 4
>         days
>         after the edit — which he fixed himself.
>
>         maybe too strict myself, because I would say "the next day",
>         which could
>         be "the next available day".
>
>         in particular since this looks like episodic edits, not
>         ongoing activities.
>
>         so, what is the time we should allow before concluding they
>         abandoned
>         the location?
>
>         a week?  (slow, but could fit in a low activity group)
>
>         a month?  (very slow, one forgets what they were doing)
>
>         a year?  (ah? next group, please?)
>
>         best regards, Mario Frasca
>
>
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