[OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

[ipswichmapper at tutanota.com]

Python's mailing lists use mailman 3:

https://www.python.org/community/lists/

What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum.

If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs doesn't make it look that hard (is it skipping over OSM server specific steps that make the process harder?)

https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html

Thanks,
IpswichMapper-- 
 


14 Dec 2020, 18:45 by tom at compton.nu:

> It's not going to happen.
>
> Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora
> and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster.
>
> Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to deploy than what we have.
> Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a
> totally different product.
>
> There is talk of a change, but it won't be to mailman 3.
>
> Tom
>
> On 14/12/2020 18:42, ipswichmapper at tutanota.com wrote:
>
>> Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman administration experience, or that much coding experience for that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+ years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>>
>> 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by jm at liotier.org:
>>
>>  From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at
>>  https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman
>>  <https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman>,
>>  Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman
>>  administration experience, maybe you could make it happen.
>>
>>
>>  On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was wondering if all the lists on
>>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org <https://lists.openstreetmap.org>
>>>  could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver).
>>>
>>>  Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is *unusable*.
>>>  Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum.
>>>
>>>  From my experience, the mailing lists are *far more active* than
>>>  the forum, so it would be good to have it searchable & more
>>>  accessible (the only downside to this is newer users might use the
>>>  mailing list now. I don't think this is a downside, but I
>>>  understand why others would think so).
>>>
>>>  Also, Mailman 3 still gets updates, while *mailman2 is on
>>>  maintainance mode and won't recieve feature updates.*
>>>
>>>  I strongly recommend that the mailing lists are upgraded to
>>>  mailman3 with hyperkitty: this will make the mailing lists so, so
>>>  much more useable.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Tom Hughes (tom at compton.nu)
> http://compton.nu/
>

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