[OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

[Alan Mackie]

Names with one, two or three languages where there are a limited number of
neighbours/occupants seems logical so long as there won't be an edit war
over precedence. Languages separated by "/" or similar. More languages than
that seems too unwieldy which rules out its use even for some 'relatively
small' features.

At this stage deleting the 'plain' name tags from highly
international object is pure vandalism in my opinion. It will continue to
be vandalism at least as long as the 'default render' relies on having a
name=*. It is too much of a barrier to entry to rely on users having the
necessary query skills to surface invisible features, and there would be
duplicates as a result of it.

I see no benefit to changing the 'fallback language' to something else at
this stage, especially to a little used construct. Saying "*if* we all
taught 'X' language to kids; it would be a universal language" could be
said about literally any language whether you are promoting English,
Spanish, Lojban or Quenya. How hard these languages are to learn is highly
dependant on what languages you have already learned, but this is largely a
distraction. People inevitably choose to teach languages with a sizeable
history to them first, novel inventions second (or more likely fourth), if
at all.

Vector tiles that prefer either the browser's requested languages or
something selectable would be ideal, but we aren't there yet technically
for the main 'editors map'. When we are it might be worthwhile revisiting
this discussion.

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 21:57, Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no> wrote:

> I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all reached.
>
> we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we discuss in
> English".
>
> as for the values of the `name` tag:
>
> I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing.
>
> I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea".
>
> I definitely question the choice of the editor who wrote "Gulf of Trieste"
> for a piece of sea that borders with Italy (in an area where Friuls is a
> recognized language), and Slovenia.
>
> and I have suggested that the problem would vaporize if we added a
> language identifier to the tile request.
>
> I'm very much interested in reading reactions to this.
>
> MF
> On 25/02/2020 16:10, Tomek wrote:
>
> W dniu 20-02-25 o 21:52, stevea pisze:
>
> I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except Tomek) that "this is a settled matter."
> SteveA
>
>
> Sprawa rozwiązana, każdy mówi w jakim języku chce, a znacznik “name” z
> obiektów międzynarodowych zostanie usunięty, z wyjątkiem mórz
> graniczących z państwami.
> Dziękuję za dyskusję
>
> La problemo estas solvita, ĉiu povas paroli en iu ajn lingvo; kaj la
> etikedo “name” el internaciaj objektoj estos forigita, escepte de maroj
> apudaj al landoj.
> Dankon por diskuto
>
> The problem is solved, everyone can speak in any language; and the tag
> “name” from international objects will be deleted, except of seas
> adjacent to the countries.
> Thank you for discussion
>
>
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