[OSM-talk] Deleting template parameters copied to data items

pangose at riseup.net pangose at riseup.net
Wed Jan 15 13:23:32 UTC 2020

Hi Christoph
Could you please comment on the wiki instead?
I never saw you on the wiki, so I'm not surprised to see that your opinion is not voiced there at all to my knowledge. 

To the casual scroll-by reader who is not familiar with how the wiki works: as of now there is a bot who keeps the data items up to date from wiki taginfo boxes. This suggestion would not change anything other than grabbing information from the item. This would also mean that if someone wants to add information it would best be done on the item.
The items are linked on the left from all wikipages and are very similar to how wikidata works.
Wikidata is BTW very rapidly becoming the most popular wiki with an increasing number of editors. It is not that huge an effort to learn how statements work and I'm sure we could create a good introduction if anyone needs it. My suggestion is to look at the video introduction and perhaps a video about the wikidata interface and then just go ahead and be bold on our items 😃

If you have questions about how data items work see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_items


On January 15, 2020 2:03:29 PM GMT+01:00, Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de> wrote:
>On Wednesday 15 January 2020, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>> PangoSE started "Transition to use data items when this can be done
>> without loosing information" discussion at
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki#Transition_to_use_data_
>> <https://slack-redir.net/link?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.openstreetmap.or
>> It is about whatever it is correct to delete data from the OSM Wiki
>> page after it was copied to data items.
>> Anyone with opinion on that topic is welcomed to comment in this
>> discussion on the OSM Wiki.
>This is a move that has been a long time coming as part of a piecemeal 
>effort by some to establish a technocratic rule on the OSM wiki by 
>moving central content out of the control of the mappers into the 
>domain of data items with higher hurdles of participation due to poor 
>ergonomics (the whole concept of requiring human editors to deal with 
>numerical IDs for features that already have a unique identifier in OSM
>by design never ceases to amaze me) and with an established ability of 
>the technocrats to control the crowd sourced editing work with bots.
>Quite obviously that it is not a good idea.  But it does not matter
>because the community has plenty of options to work around this should 
>it indeed be implemented against the interests of the mapper community.
>I would for example if something in the info box is wrong and this is 
>not part of the wiki page of a tag as it should be not delve into the 
>awkward interface of some separate database and subject my edits there 
>to the rule of some technicrats with bots but would simply add the 
>information to the wiki page.  We could also add - in addition to the 
>bot managed info boxes - new real human managed info boxes.  All of 
>this would be awkward of course but nothing that could not be done.
>The real discussion that needs to be done is how we can get to a better
>documentation of the actual use of tags by humans for humans.  We have 
>had some useful discussion on this at SotM last year and in a follow-up
>Continuing in that direction of a better human curated documentation of
>tags is the thing to pursue, not moving towards a bot managed database 
>in replacement of or in control of human contributions.
>Christoph Hormann
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>talk at openstreetmap.org
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