[OSM-talk] river - stream

Dave F davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com
Mon Jun 8 14:22:48 UTC 2020

Drop down options are not the only choice. You can add your own.
It's not compulsory to use those options. Common sense should be used.  
If there's a bridge over, don't add tunnel/culvert to the way going under.


On 08/06/2020 15:01, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
> YES !, i guess what i am saying i would like to see more drop down 
> options.
>     Monday, June 8, 2020 8:36 AM -05:00 from nwastra <nwastra at gmail.com>:
>     I am not very familiar with the iD editor but I notice that where
>     a stream and highway cross, what boxes and dropdowns are offered
>     depends what you have selected.
>     If you have the stream selected you will be offered
>     tunnel/culvert/layer/etc as options.
>     If you have the highway selected you will be offered
>     bridge/tunnel/ford/etc.
>     Is this the reason you are not seeing the options you expect?
>     On 8 Jun 2020, at 10:49 pm, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk
>     <talk at openstreetmap.org
>     <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk at openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
>>         i guss what i am saying, add a tunnel is wrong, when the road
>>         is on the bridge, and the drop down box
>>     says culvert. again i am only seeing the ID map.
>>     i just tried it, it only says add a tunnel, then river is under
>>     bridge.
>>         Monday, June 8, 2020 7:00 AM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny
>>         via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org>:
>>         Is there anything wrong with that?
>>         Jun 8, 2020, 13:57 by talk at openstreetmap.org
>>         <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk at openstreetmap.org>:
>>                 in the ID editor, if you draw a stream - river  line,
>>                 and it crosses a road, you get a warning, with the
>>                 suggestion
>>                 add a bridge or tunnel.
>>                     Monday, June 8, 2020 5:13 AM -05:00 from Martin
>>                     Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>>                     Am Sa., 6. Juni 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Dave F
>>                     via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org
>>                     <http://e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3atalk@openstreetmap.org>>:
>>                         Do you have an example?
>>                     A simple example for a tunnel (here subway) on a
>>                     bridge would be this:
>>                     https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/757824513
>>                     https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Morand
>>                         Whether it's a bridge or tunnel is fairly
>>                         easily defined by determining
>>                         which is taking the load.
>>                         If a tunnel's structure was removed, would
>>                         whitewater's above it
>>                         collapse? If 'yes' then it's a tunnel.
>>                     what I wrote was that - according to some
>>                     technical definitions - a tunnel must not have
>>                     something above it, it may be sufficient that it
>>                     is closed and long enough. I am not sure if we
>>                     share these definitions in OSM.
>>                     According to the current wiki, "a tunnel is an
>>                     underground passage for a road or similar." and
>>                     also: "tunnel=* is used for roads, railway line,
>>                     canals etc that run underground (in tunnel
>>                     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Tunnel>). " 
>>                     This doesn't appear to be exhaustive / complete,
>>                     tunnels could also run underwater, above ground
>>                     and potentially in the future even in space, no?
>>                     Many current underwater tunnels are also
>>                     "underground", as they are often running in a man
>>                     made structure (embankment like) on the ground or
>>                     below the water body/river in the ground
>>                     Cheers
>>                     Martin
>>                     _______________________________________________
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