[OSM-talk] Fwd: Fix maritime borders of Ceuta and Melilla (Spain)

[Andy Townsend]

(picking this up again because it's gone quiet)

On 26/01/2021 09:01, Alejandro Moreno wrote:
>
> Whoever disagrees with the maritime border should be the one to 
> justify it since, unless proven otherwise, every territory with a 
> coastline has territorial waters. From United Nations Convention on 
> the Law of the Sea ( 
> https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf 
> <https://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/unclos_e.pdf> 
> page 27 ) "The sovereignty of a coastal State extends, beyond its land 
> territoryand internal waters and, in the case of an archipelagic 
> State, its archipelagicwaters, to an adjacent belt of sea, described 
> as the territorial sea."
>
I can certainly see the logic here - it seems particularly unlikely that 
crossing either of the bridges at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/35.88971/-5.31749 , someone would 
need to get their passport out twice.  What isn't clear is _how much_ 
water is claimed and (more important for OSM) how much is actually 
controlled.


> As a source, http://www.seaaroundus.org/data/#/eez 
> <http://www.seaaroundus.org/data/#/eez> can be used to see the 
> territorial waters of Ceuta and Melilla that is equal to EEZ. For me 
> is difficult to find any other source of maritime border.

I've not found a suitable source either - that's why I hoped that 
posting here would help!

What is clear is that the http://www.seaaroundus.org/data/#/eez isn't 
much use for a couple of reasons.  One is that EEZ != territorial 
waters; the seaaroundus map makes that fairly obvious, as does 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone . Also, the 
seaaroundus is a not-very detailed vector map.  It suggests some sort of 
EEZ for Melilla, but around Ceuta the suggested EEZ makes no sense at 
all - it suggests Moroccan EEZ north and south but Spanish EEZ due east.

>     Missing in all this is the position of Morocco - can anyone point
>     to a
>     statement there?
>
Unfortunately https://openstreetmap.community/ doesn't suggest anywhere 
obvious. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-africa gets some 
traffic but most of the messages don't seem to be local-community 
based.  I'll try there, but other suggestions would be welcome.

Best Regards,

Andy


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