[OSM-talk] Survey coming
Allan Mustard
allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org
Sun Jan 10 18:42:16 UTC 2021
Joseph, et al,
You'll be able to judge for yourself when you see the survey. When the
translations are done, we'll release it. Until then, let's all observe
the OSM Etiquette Guide [1] and "assume good faith".
Surveys are conducted to collect information about what respondents
think, believe, and prefer. Those are the intentions of this survey, as
they should be for all surveys.
apm
[1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette
On 1/10/2021 12:30 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
> Re: "As a statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually run
> surveys in the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the
> names of people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys, please
> PM me."
>
> We are not questioning your competency or experience or expertise. We
> are asking for transparency about the intentions of this survey and
> how it was made.
>
> Since you are an English-speaking American (like me), even though you
> have international relations experience and survey experience, it is
> quite possible that you and the others who developed the survey have
> included implicit biases.
>
> It is also possible that your pre-conceptions have led to questions
> which presume a certain outcome.
>
> Please read http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/
> <http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/> and
> respond especially to this comment about a previous survey:
>
> /"Due to the cultural diversity of the OSM community surveying the
> views of this community in a representative form is practically
> impossible. The survey the OSMF board made does not actually try to do
> this"/
>
> Do you consider this survey to be an attempt to get a representative
> sample of views from the wider community?
>
> Do you expect to make changes to the OSMF board plans and priorities
> based on new ideas or unexpected problems brought up by the survey?
>
> Or do you expect the results to/ "more or less confirm the image [you
> have] of the views and priorities of the more articulated parts of the
> English speaking parts of the international OSM community]./
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 8:43 AM Allan Mustard
> <allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org
> <mailto:allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org>> wrote:
>
> John: We are casting the net as widely as possible, so please
> amplify this message through your preferred communications
> channels. We will circulate the URL for the survey via talk
> lists, which will allow anyone with a valid email address to
> request a single-use token that will allow the respondent to
> participate in the survey once. In theory individuals with
> multiple email addresses could respond multiple times, but we will
> abide by the OSM Etiquette Guidelines and "assume good faith".
> The target audience is the broad OSM community--anybody who
> creates, supports, or uses OSM data.
>
> As a statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually run
> surveys in the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have
> the names of people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys,
> please PM me.
>
> Imre: Lime Survey allows only one entry for English. BTW, if you
> live in Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of Dobos
> tort for me...
>
> cheers,
> apm
>
> On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan wrote:
>> One of the biggest problems is the sample. Ideally you need to
>> decide on your target audience. Is it anyone who has ever signed
>> up or anyone who has mapped more than five times in the last
>> two years? Or even anyone who has an interest? That could be
>> consumers of the data.
>>
>> I'd suggest a random sample, extract a list of users who meet the
>> criteria. Then look at the sample size. There are mathematical
>> rules about how large a sample size should be.
>>
>> You have their email addreses, check the privacy laws but I think
>> you should be able to contact them directly.
>>
>> Ballot stuffing, send the link with number in it so it can only
>> be used once.
>>
>> Respondent burden, if you sample 10% twice a year that should
>> give you enough information and mean you don't bug people very often.
>>
>> Talk to people who run surveys.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 09:30 Imre Samu <pella.samu at gmail.com
>> <mailto:pella.samu at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > which is now being translated into multiple languages,
>> > and which we hope will be ready for release in several
>> languages on or about January 15^th .
>>
>> Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1]
>> translation as an experiment ?
>>
>> So expecting:
>> - basic english words ( <=1000 basic words)
>> - basic grammar , no short forms ( so 'you're' --> 'you are' )
>> - basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like: SotM )
>> - "State of the Map conference" --> "OpenStreetMap
>> conference"
>>
>> probably too late for this survey ... maybe in the future.
>>
>> IMHO: We need to invent a *polite MapSpeak *language**( ~
>> OpenStreetMap Community Mappers Communication Phrases )
>> ( ~ "designed to facilitate *non-violent communication
>> *between mappers" ) like a Seaspeak [2]
>>
>> thanks
>> Imre
>> ( native hungarian, from a country with ~20% total English
>> speakers[3] )
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English>
>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak>
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population>
>>
>>
>>
>> Allan Mustard <allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org
>> <mailto:allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org>> ezt írta (időpont:
>> 2021. jan. 10., V, 2:47):
>>
>> Fellow mappers and OSM community members,
>>
>>
>>
>> The OpenStreetMap Foundation Board of Directors has
>> prepared a survey, which is now being translated into
>> multiple languages, and which we hope will be ready for
>> release in several languages on or about January 15^th .
>> Please be on the lookout for announcement of it, and
>> please alert your colleagues through other communications
>> channels (social media, talk channels, whatever) that it
>> is coming and to be on the lookout for it. Please feel
>> free to amplify this message in other languages and
>> through other comms channels. We want maximum
>> participation in the survey! We want to know what you
>> are thinking! Please participate in the survey when it
>> comes out, and please alert others so they participate,
>> too!
>>
>>
>>
>> While I have your attention, Happy New Year—let’s hope we
>> can soon put COVID-19 behind us, all get vaccinated, and
>> look forward to a mappier 2021!
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> apm
>>
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>>
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>>
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