[OSM-talk] Survey coming

Sun Jan 10 17:30:04 UTC 2021

Re: "As a statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually run
surveys in the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the names
of people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys, please PM me."

We are not questioning your competency or experience or expertise. We are
asking for transparency about the intentions of this survey and how it was
made.

Since you are an English-speaking American (like me), even though you have
international relations experience and survey experience, it is quite
possible that you and the others who developed the survey have included
implicit biases.

It is also possible that your pre-conceptions have led to questions which
presume a certain outcome.

Please read  http://blog.imagico.de/on-surveying-the-surveyors/ and
respond especially to this comment about a previous survey:

*"Due to the cultural diversity of the OSM community surveying the views of
this community in a representative form is practically impossible. The
survey the OSMF board made does not actually try to do this"*

Do you consider this survey to be an attempt to get a representative sample
of views from the wider community?

Do you expect to make changes to the OSMF board plans and priorities based
on new ideas or unexpected problems brought up by the survey?

Or do you expect the results to* "more or less confirm the image [you have]
of the views and priorities of the more articulated parts of the English
speaking parts of the international OSM community].*

-- Joseph Eisenberg

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 8:43 AM Allan Mustard <
allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org> wrote:

> John:  We are casting the net as widely as possible, so please amplify
> this message through your preferred communications channels.  We will
> circulate the URL for the survey via talk lists, which will allow anyone
> with a valid email address to request a single-use token that will allow
> the respondent to participate in the survey once.  In theory individuals
> with multiple email addresses could respond multiple times, but we will
> abide by the OSM Etiquette Guidelines and "assume good faith".  The target
> audience is the broad OSM community--anybody who creates, supports, or uses
> OSM data.
>
> As a statistical economist, believe it or not I have actually run surveys
> in the past, so am not a complete novice, but if you have the names of
> people you'd like the Board to talk to about surveys, please PM me.
>
> Imre:  Lime Survey allows only one entry for English.  BTW, if you live in
> Budapest, stop by Gerbeaud's and have a piece of Dobos tort for me...
>
> cheers,
> apm
> On 1/10/2021 9:56 AM, john whelan wrote:
>
> One of the biggest problems is the sample.  Ideally you need to decide on
> your target audience.  Is it anyone who has ever signed up or anyone who
> has mapped more than five times in the last two years?  Or even anyone who
> has an interest?  That could be consumers of the data.
>
> I'd suggest a random sample, extract a list of users who meet the
> criteria.  Then look at the sample size.  There are mathematical rules
> about how large a sample size should be.
>
> You have their email addreses, check the privacy laws but I think you
> should be able to contact them directly.
>
> Ballot stuffing, send the link with number in it so it can only be used
> once.
>
> Respondent burden, if you sample 10% twice a year that should give you
> enough information and mean you don't bug people very often.
>
> Talk to people who run surveys.
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 09:30 Imre Samu <pella.samu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > which is now being translated into multiple languages,
>> > and which we hope will be ready for release in several languages on or
>> about January 15th.
>>
>> Is it possible to add a "Simple/Basic English" [1]  translation as an
>> experiment ?
>>
>> So expecting:
>> -  basic english words ( <=1000 basic words)
>> -  basic grammar , no short forms  ( so 'you're' --> 'you are' )
>> -  basic OSM knowledge ( no special words like: SotM )
>>    - "State of the Map conference"  --> "OpenStreetMap conference"
>>
>> probably too late for this survey ... maybe in the future.
>>
>> IMHO:   We need to invent a *polite MapSpeak *language ( ~ OpenStreetMap
>> Community Mappers Communication Phrases )
>>     (  ~ "designed to facilitate *non-violent communication *between
>> mappers" ) like a Seaspeak [2]
>>
>> thanks
>>   Imre
>>   ( native hungarian,  from a country with ~20% total English speakers[3]
>> )
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English
>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaspeak
>> [3]
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population
>>
>>
>>
>> Allan Mustard <allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2021.
>> jan. 10., V, 2:47):
>>
>>> Fellow mappers and OSM community members,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The OpenStreetMap Foundation Board of Directors has prepared a survey,
>>> which is now being translated into multiple languages, and which we hope
>>> will be ready for release in several languages on or about January 15th.
>>> Please be on the lookout for announcement of it, and please alert your
>>> colleagues through other communications channels (social media, talk
>>> channels, whatever) that it is coming and to be on the lookout for it.
>>> Please feel free to amplify this message in other languages and through
>>> other comms channels.  We want maximum participation in the survey!  We
>>> want to know what you are thinking!  Please participate in the survey when
>>> it comes out, and please alert others so they participate, too!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I have your attention, Happy New Year—let’s hope we can soon put
>>> COVID-19 behind us, all get vaccinated, and look forward to a mappier 2021!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> apm
>>>
>>> *Allan Mustard*
>>>
>>> *Chairperson, Board of Directors*
>>>
>>> *OpenStreetMap Foundation*
>>>
>>> *http://www.osmfoundation.org <http://www.osmfoundation.org>*
>>>
>>> *http://www.openstreetmap.org <http://www.openstreetmap.org>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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