[OSM-talk] market share of editing apps (was: SwiftAddress)

[Simon Poole]

Hi Erwin

That's no secret at all 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats

The user based numbers are a bit misleading because the large number of 
"exactly one time" contributors that typically use iD inflate the 
overall number, and the edit based numbers have a similar issue in that 
they contain lots of bots and scripts. But as a rough indicator they are 
both good.

Simon

Am 24.01.2021 um 01:52 schrieb Erwin Olario:
> Simon, you mentioned this in a response in the SwiftAddress thread. Do 
> you mind saying what are those editing apps with more than 1% of the 
> market share?
>
> I would interpret it as enough users are interested in them for one 
> reason or another.
>
> /Erwin
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> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 4:21 AM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch 
> <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> wrote:
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>     Am 23.01.2021 um 13:13 schrieb Yves:
>     >
>     > Le 23 janvier 2021 11:20:19 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole
>     <simon at poole.ch <mailto:simon at poole.ch>> a écrit :
>     >> I don't quite understand why, outside of a specialized
>     keyboard, you are
>     >> reinventing the wheel
>     > The pleasure of building something from the ground up, joy of
>     developing an App, maybe?
>     > I hope you did not forgot it, Simon.
>     > A wealthy environment should be more welcoming to new players.
>     > Yves
>
>     There are
>
>     - limited edits to go around
>
>     - limited developer time to go around
>
>     - limited user interest and attention.
>
>     The more fragmented the OSM app market place the more and more
>     difficult
>     it gets to have a viable number of users, yes every new app takes
>     away
>     edits from the existing  apps (and no, the rising tide analogy
>     does not
>     apply here). At least for all non-commercially developed OSM software
>     this would seem to be the only metric to indicate if investing the
>     required work makes sense or not. Of the roughly 30 editing apps,
>     only 9
>     have a share of more than 1% of the total user market (roughly 3'000
>     contributors in absolute numbers) and for the rest it falls off
>     really
>     quickly. And while you could admire people that carry on
>     maintaining an
>     app for 40 users, there is no denying that it doesn't make sense
>     for OSM
>     as a whole at all.
>
>     This is not an argument against change and improvements, but about
>     leaving ones ego aside and investing the time and effort in to
>     bettering
>     existing applications. BTW just as I did when I decided to invest
>     time
>     in to improving an existing app, instead of creating a new one.
>
>     This doesn't apply just to editing software, it is (somewhat
>     driven by
>     the nature of OSM and historically little central software
>     development)
>     rampant all over the place, for example notoriously geocoding
>     software
>     where there seems to be at leas a couple of new entrants every year
>     which then go away again just as fast.
>
>     Simon
>
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