[OSM-talk] market share of editing apps (was: SwiftAddress)

[Erwin Olario]

Cool, thanks!

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:15 AM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:

> Hi Erwin
>
> That's no secret at all
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editor_usage_stats
>
> The user based numbers are a bit misleading because the large number of
> "exactly one time" contributors that typically use iD inflate the overall
> number, and the edit based numbers have a similar issue in that they
> contain lots of bots and scripts. But as a rough indicator they are both
> good.
>
> Simon
> Am 24.01.2021 um 01:52 schrieb Erwin Olario:
>
> Simon, you mentioned this in a response in the SwiftAddress thread. Do
> you mind saying what are those editing apps with more than 1% of the market
> share?
>
> I would interpret it as enough users are interested in them for one reason
> or another.
>
> /Erwin
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> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 4:21 AM Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 23.01.2021 um 13:13 schrieb Yves:
>> >
>> > Le 23 janvier 2021 11:20:19 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> a
>> écrit :
>> >> I don't quite understand why, outside of a specialized keyboard, you
>> are
>> >> reinventing the wheel
>> > The pleasure of building something from the ground up, joy of
>> developing an App, maybe?
>> > I hope you did not forgot it, Simon.
>> > A wealthy environment should be more welcoming to new players.
>> > Yves
>>
>> There are
>>
>> - limited edits to go around
>>
>> - limited developer time to go around
>>
>> - limited user interest and attention.
>>
>> The more fragmented the OSM app market place the more and more difficult
>> it gets to have a viable number of users, yes every new app takes away
>> edits from the existing  apps (and no, the rising tide analogy does not
>> apply here). At least for all non-commercially developed OSM software
>> this would seem to be the only metric to indicate if investing the
>> required work makes sense or not. Of the roughly 30 editing apps, only 9
>> have a share of more than 1% of the total user market (roughly 3'000
>> contributors in absolute numbers) and for the rest it falls off really
>> quickly. And while you could admire people that carry on maintaining an
>> app for 40 users, there is no denying that it doesn't make sense for OSM
>> as a whole at all.
>>
>> This is not an argument against change and improvements, but about
>> leaving ones ego aside and investing the time and effort in to bettering
>> existing applications. BTW just as I did when I decided to invest time
>> in to improving an existing app, instead of creating a new one.
>>
>> This doesn't apply just to editing software, it is (somewhat driven by
>> the nature of OSM and historically little central software development)
>> rampant all over the place, for example notoriously geocoding software
>> where there seems to be at leas a couple of new entrants every year
>> which then go away again just as fast.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
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