[OSM-talk] Persian/Arabian Gulf Tagging

Li Yaqo iata.idp.iq at gmail.com
Sat Jul 10 17:48:53 UTC 2021

Dear Mr. Hubaishan, and Mr. Abdulrhman,

Firstly, I would like to thank you all for your understanding and your
acceptance of the solution I suggested ending this matter.

>The vandalism is only from some Iranian users targeting the Arab countries
> and especially Saudi Arabia. There isn't any vandalism from the Arab
> countries.
I would like to apologize for the misunderstanding, I'm sorry for not
writing it clearly, by saying "vandalism edits from the nationalist vandals
in the Arab countries" I meant the vandalism edits that are happening
inside the Arab countries by the nationalist vandals which in this case are
the Iranians.

>I accept this second solution with a small addition:
>loc_name:en=Arabian Gulf
I agree on this, I do not see any harm by adding this as long as the
'name:en' stays as "Persian Gulf".

I just found out about the vandalism of The Kaaba by the Iranians and
naming it as Persian. This is super not acceptable and super disrespectful,
in my opinion, it's on the same scale as the previous vandal edits that
deleted entire cities in Saudi Arabia. Luckily it was reverted fast. I
believe now we can rest assured that these types of vandalism are going to
stop since we closed this case by choosing the 2nd solution I suggested in
my previous email<
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2021-July/086762.html> .

Li Yaqo

‪On Sat, Jul 10, 2021 at 11:19 AM ‫Saeed Hubaishan سعيد حبيشان‬‎ <
hubaishan at outlook.sa> wrote:‬

> Hi Li Yaqo,
> على ٣٠/١١/٤٢ ‫٠٣:٥٦ م، كتب Li Yaqo:
> > Cons: This might not end the vandalism edits from the nationalist
> > vandals in the Arab countries,
> The vandalism only from some Iranian users targeting the Arab countries
> and specially Saudi Arabia. There isn`t  any vandalism from the Arab
> countries.
> >
> > Solution 2:
> > Change the 'name tag to have both languages at the same time
> > (This means we change only the 'name' tag by adding the Iranian name
> > alongside the already existing one)
> >
> > The tags will be like this:
> > ______________________
> > Name= الخليج العربي / خليج فارس
> > Name:en= Persian Gulf
> > Name:ar= الخليج العربي
> > Name:fa= خليج فارس
> > ______________________
> > Pros: This will definitely stop the vandalism edits when finally the
> > Iranian name is in the general name tag. This solution was tested
> > before in the Caspian Sea, and it worked when the Iranian name was in
> > with the other languages in the 'name' tag.
> > Cons: I don't see any.
> >
> > There was an opinion that was discussed which is removing the 'name'
> > tag entirely. This is not a solution, this option was chosen and
> > tested before in many areas and failed in almost every single one of
> > them, the Mediterranean Sea for example. Removing the 'name' tag will
> > conclude by adding it again by another user who does not know about
> > this whole problem and vandalism issue, and this will definitely start
> > the vandalism campaign again.
> >
> > As a neutral opinion, as I stated before, I suggest going with the 2nd
> > solution just to let the area in peace and stop the vandalism.
> > This is not obeying and bowing to the vandal's demands that "they will
> > continue until the Iranian name is in", no and never, this is what I
> > see is fair for all and will stop the headache.
> >
> > I want to hear the Arabs' opinion on this solution, do they accept
> > adding the Iranian name next to the Arabic name just to close this
> > case and sum it up for good?
> >
> I accept this second solution with small addition:
> loc_name:en=Arabian Gulf
> --
> Saeed Hubiashan
> https://github.com/hubaishan
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/حبيشان
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