[OSM-talk] Racist, insulting and abusive comments on OSM related channels

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Mon Mar 15 08:57:20 UTC 2021


Am 15.03.2021 um 09:47 schrieb Phil Wyatt:
>
> Simon,
>
> I am not sure the discord channel should be pulled from community 
> index as it provides yet another communication channel for discussion 
> of OSM that is convenient for many. There are rules to the discord 
> channels and if there has been a breach of those rules then Bert 
> should speak up. He has now rejoined the channels and offered to 
> discuss the issues.
>
As I pointed out on the github issue: removing the server from the index 
doesn't impact in any way the ability to use it, it just removes the 
marketing for it.

Simon

> Cheers - Phil
>
> *From:*Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> *Sent:* Monday, 15 March 2021 7:11 PM
> *To:* talk at openstreetmap.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Racist, insulting and abusive comments on 
> OSM related channels
>
> Bert
>
> I assume that you got directed to the Discord server in question after 
> editing with iD?
>
> The thing to understand that neither the server itself, nor the 
> compilation of resources that led to you being sent there 
> (https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index>) is in any way 
> official or vetted. Particularly in the case of channels that claim 
> wide geographic reach this is problematic, as essentially the only 
> criteria for inclusion boils down to "not already being in the list" 
> and this can lead to a niche group being presented in a way that is 
> widely outside their actual importance in the OSM ecosystem.
>
> So sorry for your experience.  To resolve the matter I've requested 
> that the Discord server be removed from the list 
> https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/pull/424 
> <https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/pull/424>
>
> Simon
>
> Am 14.03.2021 um 21:29 schrieb Bert -Araali- Van Opstal:
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     This is a call to our whole community,
>
>     I have become only recently active on OSM's community channels. I
>     am very welcomed, respected on the various talk pages, and I
>     appreciate that.
>     The past month I have been following different alternative
>     channels, Telegram groups, WhatsApp groups, and... Discord.
>     All of them using the OSM name, which for me stands as a quality
>     mark, not just as a trade mark. Being channels that respect,
>     values and understands different cultures, different opinions,
>     promotes decent and democratic principles, respect the "etiquette"
>     required of calling yourself an OSM contributor, a member of this
>     community.
>
>     However, what I see on Discord, all under the OSM trade name,
>     sorry for the word... is disgusting.
>     Whole communities being insulted (words I don't even dare to use),
>     remarks of non-English communities making "dumb" remarks, vote
>     lobbying for and against proposals because they are made by
>     "another" countries community member, it's nearing to hate
>     speech... really disgusting.
>
>     The ones who are on these channels know who and what I am talking
>     about, I kindly ask you, stop this please.  This is not welcome,
>     highly inappropriate and not how you communicate with your fellow
>     human beings, your fellow OSM contributor. Stop, go and look in
>     the mirror, and ask yourself what am I doing, is this how I want
>     to be known in a worldwide peaceful community ?
>
>     I didn't file a compliant at the DWG, I didn't call this subject
>     to be handled in the OSMF board (yet), I first call in this
>     channel, and everyone who experiences the same, feels the same
>     discussed, speak out, comment on this channel, because I don't
>     want to be associated with a channel that uses the OSM name where
>     by some, not all not the majority, but some, disguise and
>     dis-value what we stand for.
>     And please, don't call names in your comments, it's not limited to
>     people from one country particular, one community. Just express
>     your concerns, and when this behaviour doesn't change, we as a
>     community can and will take action, identify the malicious minds
>     and practices, and remand or ban them. Let your comment be their
>     first warning.
>
>     Kind regards,
>
>     Bert Araali
>
>
>
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