[OSM-talk] An open letter to OSMF board members.

[Włodzimierz Bartczak]

Let me begin by responding to Frederic's voice in this discussion. Mainly
because I have tremendous respect for his contributions to the project. His
help was invaluable in removing the vandalism we had problems with in
Poland.
Therefore, I think you have not fully understood what is driving me in
provoking this discussion and the fault lies with me. I will try to express
myself better and by the way answer collectively.
1) I am not interested in whether parcels, forest springs or other POIs
will be displayed in Carto. The presented problems arose during the project
of mapping parcel machines in Poland, but feel free to place any other
object instead of parcel machines. This just illustrates the problem.
2) In my opinion, the main problem of Carto is that it doesn't have clear
goals to fulfill. I agree that sometimes it is overloaded. Unfortunately,
currently no one is discussing what it should contain, not to mention its
implementation.
3) Nowhere did I say that someone should be paid to develop it.
4) The Carto is a collective effort of editors and its creation should be a
reflection of one of the most democratic communities, OSM. Ask yourselves
if this is the case.

The discussion I've had and the statements that have emerged make it clear
that we as a community have a problem here.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

śr., 1 cze 2022 o 01:28 Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> napisał(a):

> Hi,
>
> I think I've said that in one of those endless diary discussions -
> almost everyone who complains about something in openstreetmap-carto is
> just unhappy that they don't get their pet feature rendered.
>
> In order to provide acceptable cartography, massive gatekeeping is
> required on the part of openstreetmap-carto maintainers. For every new
> feature they accept, they should really throw old two old features,
> otherwise the map becomes everything else but a map.
>
> (We had a map style once where everyone could add their own features in
> SVN, with nobody doing any gatekeeping. Guess how that turned out.)
>
> I'm happy to listen to anyone who has any critique of
> openstreetmap-carto but NOT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHAPPY BECAUSE THEIR
> FEATURE DID NOT GET RENDERED.
>
> If you are one of those people who are unhappy because their feature did
> not get rendered, I will assume that any other criticism you have to
> offer (other than that your feature did not get rendered) is just trying
> to get revenge.
>
> If you're trying to abuse the code-of-conduct system to bully people in
> the hope of ultimately getting your pet feature rendered, then shame on
> you - this is not what a code of conduct is for.
>
> As for replacing the maintainers - if I understand you correctly you're
> asking the board to pay people to do the maintenance. I would agree to
> that if that maintenance is guided by the principle I mentioned above -
> for every additional feature they accept, throw out two old features.
>
> Because if what you're asking is for the board to pay money in order to
> have more mellow maintainers who will happily accept a 348th crappy icon
> just so that some niche interest group can have their feature "on the
> main map" then that would be making OSM worse not better.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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>
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