[OSM-dev] Pl at ntNet contributing to OpenStreetMap

[Hugo Gresse]

Hi Michael & everyone,

Thank you all for the enthusiasm and answers!

1) Regarding putting only trees, we don't have this information for the 
moment. We'll let the user know to only put trees on OSM.

2) If we only go for specific prefilled tags (species, taxon:family, 
source, natural) the user will need to pick the correct location of the 
tree. For now, I'm only adding the button on geolocalized owned 
observation.

3) Regarding a plant layer in OSM, I believe the best source would be to 
use gbif.org. They have the most complete biodiversity database and many 
apps are already pushing to it (including iNaturalist, Pl at ntNet, etc)

4) Quick question regardings tags, should the authorship of the species 
be put on OSM (eg: species:Epilobium angustifolium _*L.*_)? I did not 
find any info regarding the author of the species on the OSM wiki.


Last note, I'll wait for more feedback on this to complete the pull 
request on my side. If the feature is completed as if, it will be 
shipped in version 3.11 in September)


Best,

Le 09/08/2022 à 16:11, Michael Collinson a écrit :
> Hi Hugo,
>
> I use and contribute to Pl at ntNet and it is truly great and a 
> marvellous endeavour. A thank you to you for working on it! I am also 
> a believer in "the more the merrier" as a doctrine for OpenStreetMap.
>
> I am however dubious about pushing observations into the OpenStreetMap 
> database, if my understanding is correct as to the intent.
>
> Two reasons,
>
> 1) I contribute things like cultivated and wild plants in my garden 
> and nearby road verges along with geolocation for anyone interested in 
> looking at geographic spread. I don't think (purely personal view) 
> that is of 100% value to OpenStreetMap itself - i.e rather like the 
> Wikipedia notability criteria.  At most, I'd have a filter for only trees.
>
> 2) As I recall from my usage, there are choices when it comes to 
> geolocation. One is to get a GPS fix, so in the sort of accuracy used 
> by OpenStreetMap.  The other is to use a push pin - I wonder to what 
> extent folks deliberately make it less than precise for privacy 
> reason. Just speculating, but that would not be useful for 
> OpenStreetMap. I've seen some of the ?Corrine tree cover imports and 
> they are generally terrible. Could observations be restricted to GPS 
> only?+
>
> I am going to forward my response and your mail to Jerry Clough who is 
> both a very active OSMer and a biologist as I am not sure if he is on 
> this list. He might have some more authoritative thoughts ... but that 
> is up to him!
>
> What might be nice (and perhaps useful!) would a plant observation 
> layer in OSM format that can be combined those interested. I think we 
> at OpenStreetMap may be missing an opportunity to incorporate 
> scientific and citizen science data into our ecosphere. The static 
> natural world - plants, geology and geomorphology - has some sort of 
> role I'm sure.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 2022-08-09 15:15, Hugo Gresse wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm working on Pl at ntNet <http://plantnet.org/> mobile app (32 M 
>> users) which allow users to identify plants and contribute/share them 
>> (with the geolocation) on Pl at ntNet database. The data is then 
>> available for everyone and also pushed to GBIF.org (a free global 
>> biodiversity database).
>>
>> Users requested a feature to push their plant observations to OSM 
>> into Wikidata format.
>>
>> The current plan to do this is to have a copy button in the app which 
>> will format the data in text and put it in the user clipboard on his 
>> mobile device: ||
>>
>> |genus=Cercis name=arbre de la piscine natural=tree species=Cercis 
>> siliquastrum species:fr=Arbre de Judée src=survey;Observation : 
>> Cercis siliquastrum L. (Pascal Vuylsteker 17 juin 2021) Flore 
>> mondiale - Pl at ntNet identify |
>>
>> Would that be ok or ideal?
>>
>> If not, what could be done to facilitate adding data to OSM through 
>> Pl at ntNet?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> -- 
>> *Hugo Gresse*
>> Mobile engineer for Pl at ntNet <https://plantnet.org/> at INRIA / UMR AMAP
>> Montpellier, FRANCE
>>
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*Hugo Gresse*
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