[HOT] OSM Nepal Reponse - Links to various infos

Stefan Keller sfkeller at gmail.com
Fri May 15 18:43:09 UTC 2015

Salut Pierre, hi Will, dear leading HOT members, hello all

2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr> wrote:

> > Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how
to both respond quickly and assure data quality.

I really appreciate your work and the work of all contributors. So excuse
me if I'm little bit too harsh now.

I'm trying to to collect the minimal common set of HOT tags for specifying
a renderer, for future use and for OSM quality in general.

Will already answered finally in an earlier post (thanks!) - but I'm sorry
to say: What we (OSM) now have in HOT pages is a tag mess since years!

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps there a process on tagging mailing
list I'm missing? Here's what I found:

To me the potential main HOT tag page is "Humanitarian_OSM_Tags" [1]. This
page is very "orphaned" - it has been edited twice since 2013(!?).
It prominently points to "Humanitarian_Data_Background" as "An up-to-date
list of tags for HOT" - being a page which has been updated 3.5 years ago

Then I see that no single wiki page with Nepal in its title - including
"2015_Nepal_earthquake" [3]  - is pointing to Humanitarian_OSM_Tags,
whereas the Nepal_remote_mapping_guide [4] mainly lists the usual main tags
(like building=yes, natural=wood|water, water=*, waterway=river,
waterway=stream, landuse=farmland).

I would expect at least to see tags like damage:event and idp:camp_site -
being top 20 in [6] - to show up in any wiki page related to tags mentioned
But these aren't even mentioned in the wiki except somehow in [4] - but
which was declared outdated 2013.

How can we clean up this under-documented mess and "tag soup" at least for
a small common set of tags?

Yours, S.

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake
[4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nepal_remote_mapping_guide#Tagging
[6] http://nepal-taginfo.openstreetmap.hu/keys

2015-05-15 18:44 GMT+02:00 Pierre Béland <pierzenh at yahoo.fr>:

> This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more difficult
> for our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who have to suffer the
> emotional impact of the second earthquake this week. They also have to move
> from the famous Yellow house to a school. This should assure them a more
> secure area to work.
> Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map, provide
> various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field and assure the
> interface with the Nepal governement and the various UN Coordination
> structures for this response (ie The clusters to coordinate sanitation,
> water, logistic, food distribution, health, etc).
> As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the interface
> between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the international
> organizations. We support the OSM remote response from around the word and
> we co-coordinate with KLL. We both interface with the DHNetwork digital
> organization and various other groups via Skype. We have a great support
> from the International Charter (imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe,
> Airbus, the HIU unit of the US State dept., Google, and our dedicated
> OSM/HOT experienced contributors and developpers.
> Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the
> various OSM exports.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services
> Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the monsoon
> coming soon.
> At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of the OSM
> community from around the world. The statistics below show great numbers
> and some challenges with all the new contributors that participate to the
> response. Note that these are preliminary statistics that can be revised
> later. With less then 3 weeks of response, we already have edited more the
> 13 million of objects.
> The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs yesterday.
> Three times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows how we should
> adapt to such a rapid growth of the OSM database for Nepal and maintain
> quality to adequately respond to the operational needs of the humanitarian
> organizations in the field.
>   Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including
> worldwide mechanical edits         NB
>  Contributors *6,456*  Days *11,877*  Changeset Sessions *154,048*  Objects
> edited (ie. Points, lines, polygons) *13,089,247*
> Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to
> both respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM crowdsourcing can be
> compared to an image that we load throug internet. First, we have a quite
> inprecise image, coming clearer gradually.  The Mapathons a bit of this
> role. If unorganized, they can bring a lot of data quality problems. The
> worlwide OSM community  can play a strategic role in such a response by
> contributing to structure the way the new contributors learn OSM and edit
> the map. For the first day of contribution, what is important is that
> people better understand what are the various steps and provide quality
> data. If we succeed to bring them a second day to help, this will show
> quite a significant succcess since the majority of them contribute only one
> day for the response.
> There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I
> suggest that people that organize Mapathons communicate with activation @
> hotosm.org and provide some infos about the Mapathon
> - who Organize this mapathon
> - town, country
> - Name, email of organizers
> - how many experienced osm contributors to support the mapathon
> - Nb of people that you plan to receive
> - twitter account if you plan to publish updates
> - indicate that you give HOT the license to reuse photos that you publish
> on Twitter. This can help for outreach and various Blog updates.
> *Various map products*
> UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage analysis.
> https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb
> Visualisation,
> *Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal*
> http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/
> Lanslides in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See this
> video to better understand the reality of people living in remote areas of
> Nepal with only paths connecting the high mountain villages.
> https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
> A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr
> New contributions to OSM for Nepal
> Awesoooooooooooooooooooooome!!!
> http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198
> twitter update on this
> https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241
> Cheers all
> Pierre
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