[HOT] Tasking ManagerS (Was: {Re: Map4Haiti} + {[Hot-francophone] Project over Grand'Anse})

Severin Menard severin.menard at gmail.com
Mon Oct 24 13:46:38 UTC 2016


Hi,

We should first consolidate pre-disaster data (through Bing + vintage
Digital Globe Imagery) before processing post-disaster data, so IMHO the
two jobs are complementary.

Sincerely,

Severin

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rod Bera <rod at goarem.org> wrote:

> now we've got overlapping tasks.
>
> http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252
>
> where do we go from here?
>
> This could/should have been anticipated/prevented.
>
> Now we should consider trans-TM indexing, as these and other TM
> instances are probably here to last.
>
>
>
> On 24/10/16 10:07, Cristiano Giovando wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> >
> > (s'il vous plaît excuser mon anglais)
> >
> > There are three WorldView 3 images available, captured on October 10
> > over the Grand'Anse and Sud departments. These have limited cloud
> > coverage and show very dramatically the impact of Hurricane Matthew in
> > western Haiti:
> >
> >
> https://beta.openaerialmap.org/#/-74.3994140625,18.521278249360137,10/
> 032210312003?date=month&_k=uvs9ut
> >
> > We, at HOT would like to create three tasks to update all baseline
> > information as shown by those images. I noticed that you guys
> > currently have a task over the same area which is using Bing as
> > default imagery source:
> >
> > http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64
> >
> > In order to coordinate our efforts, I would like you to consider this
> > project that I just set up and ask you to let me know if you think it
> > would make sense to publish it first, since it has that more recent
> > imagery:
> >
> > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2252
> >
> > Right now it's published with low priority, just for you to be able to
> > see it. For reference, this is the exact extent:
> >
> http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/5cfec955932472ebd1d23a01421a42
> c5&map=11/18.4698/-74.4193
> >
> > Please let me know what you think, also in terms of instructions.
> > Happy to discuss or change anything based on everyone's feedback
> > before publishing it (bumping it up to high priority).
> >
> > Also, we will not be doing any damage assessment (as indicated in the
> > task), so if you guys have any need to do it, feel free to use the TMS
> > services off of OAM. Here's one to browse the same October 10 image:
> >
> http://oam-dynamic-tiler-tmp.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
> 57fecc6984ae75bb00ec752c/preview/#19/18.57497/-74.38157
> >
> > Looking forward to your feedback.
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Cristiano
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> On 24/10/16 11:46, Rod Bera wrote:
> > Hi Mikel,
> >
> >> that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary
> >> tasking manager.
> >
> > to me it's not.
> > As I understand things, the fact that a task needs to be
> > endorsed/supported by HOT if it is to appear on tasks.hotosm.org is a
> > problem. The fact that only co-opted ("trained", "friends") individual
> > can post a task is a problem too.
> >
> > There were discussions on this in the past with people advocating a more
> > open policy for tasks.hotosm.org.
> >
> > This did not happen for some reasons internal to HOT US Inc.
> >
> > Then it appeared as a logical consequence that others would set-up
> > tasking managers fit for their needs.
> > Related to this is last year's discussion on default logos (TM by
> > default had a HOT logo), name (HOT tasking manager formerly incorrectly
> > known as OSM tasking manager). This was settled, more or less.
> >
> > The next logical step (I also mentioned it at that time) was what is
> > happening now: possibly conflicting tasks. Well it is not the case yet:
> > as as far as I can see there is no overlap between tasks from
> > tasks.hotosm.org and tasks from taches.francophonelibre.org, but it will
> > fatally happen at some point.
> >
> > To address this I proposed a number of solutions which had not much
> > success:
> > -indexing tasking managers and tasks into a reference catalogue, or
> > -indexing TMs and tasks into catalogueS, possibly one for each TM with
> > service metadata, and subsequently allow for either cross-harvesting, or
> > -bottom-up harvesting if there is a truly community-operated reference
> > catalogue endorsed by everyone.
> >
> >
> > I agree this makes things a bit complicated as it would ideally require
> > GeoNetwork instances (ideally one for each TM) or something similar. But
> > the INSPIRE SDI experience in Europe shows it works quite smoothly.
> >
> > However I agree it adds-up some complexity where we could avoid it. If
> > only there was only ONE TM that would be EVERYONE'S TM.
> > The de facto control of the original TM by HOT with a disputable policy
> > as to who had a right/privilege to define and post tasks broke up this
> hope.
> >
> > Given this I have no problem with tasks.hotosm.org being administered
> > with HOT US Inc. rules. Or other TM being administered according to
> > different policies. We are diverse after all.
> >
> > Now, we probably agree that beyond this diversity we have to work
> > together as a global community.
> >
> > To this aim I'll be happy to collaborate with you to find ways of coming
> > up with the kind of "universal catalogue of tasks" we (OSM) need.
> >
> > tasks.hotosm.org #2219 #2229 #2236 #2237 #2248 etc., as well as
> > taches.francophonelibre.org #35 #40 # 41 #45 #63 #64 #65 #66 #67 etc.
> > are all pertinent and they all should be primarily viewed as the
> > contributions from the OSM community instead of the organisations
> > running the tasking managers.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rod
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 15/10/16 15:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
> >> Agree with you John. Working with local mapper groups of course is the
> >> best. There are many French speaking HOT members and volunteers,
> >> including in Haiti.
> >>
> >> But that's a seperate topic from running an additional unnecessary
> >> tasking manager.
> >>
> >> Mikel
> >>
> >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 9:08 AM, john whelan
> >> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Which begs the question why should HOT decide the priorities?
> >>
> >>     I note that we don't see many projects from local groups especially
> >>     in the high priority list and in this case Haiti the local language
> >>     is French which means it is more difficult for the local needs to be
> >>     understood by none francophone outsiders.
> >>
> >>     There are problems with the functioning of the government of Haiti
> >>     but there are functioning OSM locals but the best way to strengthen
> >>     them is to work with them.
> >>
> >>     Cheerio John
> >>
> >>     On 15 October 2016 at 08:03, Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com
> >>     <javascript:return>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         Having two tasking managers for the same response area is of
> >>         course going to create conflicts. There's no need at all to
> >>         create jobs for Haiti on another tasking manager. Simply,
> >>         communicate the needs for mapping, including AOI, need, etc, to
> >>         the HOT activation team and it will be prioritized and set up.
> >>
> >>         Mikel
> >>
> >>         On Saturday, October 15, 2016, 4:51 AM, Severin Menard
> >>         <severin.menard at gmail.com <javascript:return>> wrote:
> >>
> >>             Hi,
> >>
> >>             New update about our contribution to the OSM Map4Haiti
> >>             mapping. Job #45
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61> is
> >>             almost done now and we will start mapping the rural areas
> >>             within the hills of département of Grande-Anse, over the
> >>             communes of Abricots, Dame-Marie, Chambellan, Moron, Anse
> >>             d'Hainault and Grande Anse, located in the most affected
> >>             areas by Hurricane Matthew (UNOSAT impact zone 1, with winds
> >>             over 120 km/h) with job #64
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/64>, continuing
> >>             our systematic, consolidated effort over the hills (called
> >>             mornes in Haiti).
> >>
> >>             We hold an agile SOTM today here at Université Alassane
> >>             Ouattara and will have a team of crisis mapping during the
> >>             whole day to show students and people what it is. No
> >>             newcomer will be invited to map on Haiti from Bouaké but
> >>             invited to become a local mapper, raise his skills and join
> >>             later when experienced enough.
> >>
> >>             I hope this message is read by the HOT US coordination team,
> >>             especially Dale Kunce:
> >>
> >>             October 8 6:30 PM UTC I communicated about job #39
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/39> about
> >>             pre-disaster mapping over Jeremie. On October 12, when our
> >>             mapping is almost done on Central Jeremie, we figure out
> >>             people are mapping on the area, due to a HOT US job #2228
> >>             <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2228> created by Dale
> >>             Kunce. We stopped and quickly detected all the mistakes done
> >>             by very recent mappers.
> >>
> >>             October 12 11:40 AM UTC I communicated on the hot list
> >>             including regarding job #45
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45> about
> >>             mapping Jeremie’s hinterland. Later this day, HOT US job
> >>             #2224 <http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2224> covering an
> >>             area slightly smaller inside the one I made was created by
> >>             Dale Kunce... As if there was no other places to be mapped
> >>             in Haiti...
> >>
> >>
> >>             So far, we created 7 jobs over Haiti, I communicated about
> >>             them and they are all on the
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org>http://taches.
> >>             francophonelibre.org frontpage, so it is not a big deal
> just
> >>             to check them.
> >>
> >>             @Dale I think HOT US created a curriculum to raise skills to
> >>             become Crisis activators, I would advise you to read it one
> >>             day when you have a bit of time. If ever it does not mention
> >>             to read and communicate in the hot list during an
> >>             activation, I would suggest to add it into the
> >>             documentation. As an incorporated company, HOT US may have
> >>             its own internal tools to organize its mapping, but the
> >>             minimum is to communicate a bit on the hot list with the OSM
> >>             community, who is the holder of this list (as everything
> >>             with @openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>).
> >>
> >>             If you now create a new job covering job #45
> >>             <http://taches.francophonelibre.org/project/45#task/61>, I
> >>             may try next time to create a job in the middle of the
> >>             water, just to see if you jump on it.
> >>
> >>             Sincerely,
> >>
> >>             Severin
> >>
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