[Imports] Central African Republic import of WRI data

[Severin MENARD]

Hi,

Sorry to jump so late into this discussion.
Actually I am waiting for an answer from the imports list since Mid May. I
put it below.
So we would like to know if in the case of using a ODbL compatible dataset
as a guide for tracing over Bing Imagery (because of the lack of
geometrical accuracy) + get some attributes (road names or ID, etc.) is
considered as coming under the usual import pattern (including a specific
import user account) or not.

Sincerely,

Severin

> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 10:54:08 -0300
> From: S?verin MENARD <severin.menard at hotosm.org>
> To: Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com>
> Cc: imports at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Imports] Import of UNICEF health facilities data for
>         Central African Republic
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> Hi Paul,
>
> Thank you very much for your answer. My comments inline
>
> >
> > The WRI data is more complicated, and you might want to consider doing
> the
> > UNICEF import before it.
> >
> Definitely. The data is generally too inaccurate to be imported (eg
> 300-1000m for the roads from the reality provided by the high res Bing
> imagery), but can be used as a guide for tracing
>

Actually we would like to be sure if only used as a guide with sometimes
some attributes (eg name) copy and paste on the freshly-new-traced vector
data from Bing imager, it is not considered as an import.



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> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:58:14 +0200
> From: Simeon <simeon-online at gmx.de>
> To: hot at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [HOT] Central african republic import
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> Hi,
>
> First: Thanks for your quick and elaborate response.
> Contrary to what I wrote before, the road I meant didnt disappear, it was
> downgraded to a path and
> the rest left as a secondary. But this still explaines one of the problems
> with imports:
>
> You can do them automatically (using a separate account as it falls under
> the mechanical edit policy
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edit_Policy - at least
> thats how I understood it),
> but what do you do with the roads/rivers/places that are already there?
> Especially if, like in this case, the data to be imported is from 2009 (at
> leastthats what the
> source tag says) and the Bing pictures are from 2003 (according to the
> bing aerial image analyzer).
> Many helpers like myself have used those images to trace various things
>  and will continue to do so;
> so there could be discrepancies.
>
> Can we limit this task to "well-seasoned mappers". Or do we have enough
> people willing and able to
> get the job done using some kind of private task manager not open to the
> general public?
>
> Whatever may happen, I am suer we can all agree that we should take all
> the data, help and people to
> help we can get.
>
> Regards,
>
> Simeon
> Am 13.06.2013 13:26, schrieb Ben Abelshausen:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This import was started as part of the EUROSHA project for the Central
> African Republic and after
> > the rebellion. The data being imported is served with the task, a new
> feature for the tasking
> > manager that we developed while in Cameroon. The data of the WRI can be
> served with the task as a
> > mapping aid.
> >
> > This is for now, an experiment but is meant to be executed I guess. I'm
> sure that Severin Menard,
> > the lead for HOT on this project, can also tell you something more about
> this.
> >
> > As far as I know there is some confusion about this task, a few of the
> blocking issues:
> >
> > - Do we need to use a seperate import account? (the import list is not
> very responsive)
> > - Is the WRI data suited for this? Maybe partly using the data is
> something we can do.
> > - This task is meant for well-seasoned mappers, is this something we can
> expect?
> >
> > This is my view on this little project and it's a bit sad to have all
> this data for a mostly
> > completely unmapped and from a humanitarian perspective very difficult
> country and not use it. I
> > think we should take every chance we get to improve the map for the CAR.
> >
> > If you have some suggestions on this, your thoughts are very very
> welcome on how to do this better.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Ben Abelshausen
> > ben.abelshausen at gmail.com <mailto:ben.abelshausen at gmail.com>
> > http://twitter.com/xivk
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Simeon <simeon-online at gmx.de <mailto:
> simeon-online at gmx.de>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi all,
> >
> >     Does anyone know if the WRI import already started?
> >     There is a wiki page:
> >     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_CAR_WRI_Data
> >     and a task:
> >     http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/219.
> >     Although the task says that its only a test, someone started to
> import roads around N'Dele:
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=8.39936&lon=20.69708&zoom=15&layers=M
> >     The track there appears on my tiles as a teriary road, but in the
> dataset there is nothing
> >     left but a new track with access=no. For me thats a strange
> combination, but the wiki pages
> >     says so.
> >     >From tha satelite image, this road is bigger than a track and
> comtinues further than the import.
> >
> >     I dont want to step on anyones toes, its just that I am confused why
> some roads disappeared
> >     and that I havent heard anything about this import.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >
> >     Theodin
>
>
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