[OSM-legal-talk] A questionable data source usage in Haiti in 2010

[SK53]

Can I just remind everyone of the principle "assume good faith", and the
equally valid principle that first one asks someone who made the edit via
changeset discussions, before raising issues in wider forums.

I was somewhat disconcerted to realise that multiple discussions have been
occurring which imputed that editors contributing to mapping
<https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/046942.html>
Port-au-Prince after the 2010 earthquake, of whom I was one, might
have been making "suspicious edits". It appears that rumours, gossip and
tittle-tattle have got in the way of a considered approach involving the
first two principles, or even checking the wiki, mailing lists etc.

I don't expect contributors to be familiar with the ins-and-outs of OSM
ancient history, but I do expect people not to jump to false conclusions,
and certainly not to do the minimum of due diligence before asking,
and using loaded terms "suspicious" in doing so.

Jerry Clough aka SK53

On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 13:18, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:

>
> Am 25.07.2021 um 11:44 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk:
>
> I was thinking about 1000+ elements having it as an element tag,
> hopefully this is used where this specific permission qualified.
>
> Those don't have anything to do with Haiti.
>
> For changesets leaving comment explaining situation may be helpful
> but would spam mappers who edited then.
>
>
> Jul 25, 2021, 11:37 by simon at poole.ch:
>
>
> Am 25.07.2021 um 11:23 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via legal-talk:
>
> Hmm, maybe detailing this tag to
> source=Special Google Haiti imagery
> would be helpful?
>
> Given that changeset tags cannot be changed after the fact, I'm not sure
> how you expect this to work outside of using a time machine.
>
> Simon
>
>
> I also created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source%3DGoogle
> to make easier to locate this email
>
> Jul 25, 2021, 03:12 by mikel.maron at gmail.com:
>
> We received explicit permission from Google to use the imagery released in
> the Haiti earthquake response for editing in OSM. That is documented in
> this mailing list post linked from the wiki page
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-January/047236.html
>
> Mikel
>
> On Saturday, July 24, 2021, 10:19 AM, mappinglander
> <mappinglander at gmail.com> <mappinglander at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
> There has recently been a discussion in OSM Discord about source=Google
> tags
> <https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/source=Google%2C%0D%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%202010-01-21>
> in Haiti. The usage seems to have documented at wiki
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Imagery_and_data_sources/Old#Google_Imagery>,
> but seems like there isn't any explicit clauses about allowing to OSM on
> the linked mailinglist posts, and the Google page says "Use restricted to
> non-commercial use in or related to Haitian relief efforts." Also, as that
> was before the CC BY-SA and ODbL switch in 2012, I and other users have
> expressed some doubts about whether we are still having permission to use
> that source on OSM. I personally haven't contacted Mikel yet, or the other
> people involved in the discussion and approved the usage on OSM.
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