[Osmf-talk] EVERYONE: PLEASE VOTE
peter.miller at itoworld.com
Thu Aug 20 06:45:27 UTC 2009
On 20 Aug 2009, at 06:14, Peter Batty wrote:
> One other brief comment I would make about all this sudden alarm at
> the prospect of Cloudmade having two board members is just to
> observe that this has already been the case for the past year.
> During this time the OSMF board seems to have functioned perfectly
> well as far as I can see. I am unaware of any inappropriate behavior
> by the board during this time to favor Cloudmade (and if anybody
> knows of any then they should raise the specific concerns that they
> have). I agree with James that it is really inappropriate to
> suddenly raise such a big fuss 24 hours before the vote closes, when
> we have already been in the situation that is supposedly such a
> concern for a year, without any apparent problems.
> I reiterate that it is my opinion that Nick and Steve both have made
> and will continue to make outstanding contributions as individuals
> to OSMF, and that their company affiliation is incidental to the
> work they do in this regard. I support both of them continuing as
> board members.
In fairness to Frederik the 'alarm' was the sudden joining of enough
new members who are employed by CM to theoretically change the outcome
of the election in a major way and I think that was justified.
Frederik has access to list of members because it was him, I
understand, who got the list set up in the first place and until then
there was no place for members to discuss issues of concern to them
with other members. I find this list very useful. I don't believe
that he has revealed any personal information so I don't believe the
Data Protection Act is a relevant issue to raise.
I agree that the issue about having more than one director from the
same company on the board is a separate one that was been discussed in
the past month on the list with a general view that disclosure was
important but that a codified limit was not practical or desirable.
There is a live proposal that we should limit board members from a
single company to 40% but it is not an 'alarming' issue that needs to
be raised again at this late hour.
I appreciate Steve's comment that CM, Nick and him are in 'a very
difficult position and don't always make the right choices'. The OSMF
is a very young organisation that is having to find its feet very fast
and is doing so by bumping into issues along the way and resolving
them in a typical messy human way. What is good is that it is making
Personally I think we will continue to need people to being watching
for issues from the outside and 'helping' the organisation grow up
nice and strong and healthy and that is exactly what seems to be
happening and something I support.
On this particular issue I do strongly advocate a system where
membership of the foundation can be earned by the 'sweat of the
brow' (ie sustained contribution to OSM over a period of time) rather
than only with cash. I believe this would dramatically increase the
number of members (some of whom might actually vote) and remove the
current bias towards the west and towards those with spare cash. I
raised the question on the foundation list last month  and there
was a useful discussion about it but the view of a board member was
that it was not an issue that was getting attention. Possibly in light
of the above it should do.
For the record, I renewed my lapsed membership last month and an
additional member of ITO's staff joined recently and will, I
understand, be voting. As a company policy I have provided no guidance
to our staff on whether to join, whether to vote or who to vote for. I
have however put work into the wiki and on the lists over the past
month to ensure that the relevant information about candidates is
available to all members.
My personal view is that we have an excellent selection of candidates
to choose from and that any combination of 7 of them would make a
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