[Osmf-talk] Proposal - OSMF Should NOT Adopt a Code of Conduct

Aleksey Chalabyan xelgen.am at gmail.com
Sat Dec 2 14:46:53 UTC 2017

While I see where such concerns come from, I don't think declining whole
idea CoC or any other rules because they can be abused and there may be
false accusations is a solution. English is my 3rd language, but I believe
"throwing out the baby with the water" is the phrase, which belongs here.

First of all, in none of quotations of CoC, we see "if someone was accused
in doing smth. bad than she/he gets removed from event", instead we seee
"if someone engages in smth. bad".
So those who decided of CoC was broken or not, should practice common sense
and try to make sure accusation were not false. Otherwise anything can be
abused and misinterpreted.
Second, if enough people share same concerns, wouldn't
1) adding "false accusations of braking CoC is another way to go against
CoC" to the Code of Conduct and
2) a reminder to those making decisions to practice caution and make sure
CoC was actually broken before showing red cards

More of solution to the problem, than your initial proposal to ditch CoC

Aleksey Chalabyan a.k.a. Xelgen

2017-12-02 18:31 GMT+04:00 Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org>:

> ⚠️ Semi-graphic description of sexual assault & rape below ⚠️
> On 02/12/17 06:02, John Gilmore wrote:
> > without any further evidence?
> Who suggested not requiring evidence?
> > what happens when the advance was obviously "welcome" at the start,
> > but the alleged victim decides later that it was "unwelcome"?  I know
> > a guy who's spent years living in exile in an embassy over just that
> > situation.
> I suggest you read the charges against Assange in the UK High Court
> judgement upholding his extradition[1]. He is accused of starting to have
> sex with someone who was asleep, and holding another woman down and
> forcing her legs open with his body.
> > The violence consisted in a firm hold of the injured party's arms and
> > a forceful spreading of her legs whilst lying on top of her and with
> > his body weight preventing her from moving or shifting.
> > Assange deliberately consummated sexual intercourse with her
> > byimproperly exploiting that she, due to sleep. was in a helpless
> > state.
> If you're confused if that's OK, let me explain it: It's not OK. Maybe
> look at the evidence in future. 😉
> > The best thing in my opinion would be to explicitly DECLINE to
> > produce any kind of "Code of Conduct"
> Are you in favour of disbanding the Data Working Group, or of removing
> the ability to block OSM accounts? If not, you're in favour of *some
> sort* of code of conduct.
> [1] http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html
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