[Tagging] service=drive-through or drive_through?

Josh Doe josh at joshdoe.com
Thu Jun 30 17:28:58 BST 2011


Thanks for the summary, and for your efforts submitting patches. I'm all for
drive_through; even if drive-through is the more "correct" term, an
underscore is better for the reasons you've outlined.

Thanks,
-Josh

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <seav80 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Here's some additional context and history to frame the discussion:
>
>
> In April 2010, I first suggested having another value (namely,
> service=drive_thru) for the service=* tag for drive-through lanes
> similar to service=parking_aisle:
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-April/001710.html
>
> From the ensuing discussion, "through" vs. "thru" was discussed, some
> people questioned the value of having such another value, and there
> was a side discussion about public right-of-ways vs. permissive
> accesses. The question of underscore vs. hyphen was also tackled.
>
> Based on the responses, the rough consensus that I gathered was for
> using service=drive_through. Why? Because people have said that OSM
> has a strong preference for unabbreviated words, and also that there's
> a strong preference for underscores (In fact, there is no hyphenated
> key or value in the Map Features page).
>
> Based on the discussion, I then changed all of the ways that I had
> already tagged with service=drive_thru to service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/5228429
>
>
> In October 2010, I re-opened the thread asking for opinions regarding
> the underscore vs. hyphen question because I noticed the hyphenated
> version in the Wiki:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tagging@openstreetmap.org/msg05167.html
>
> Again, most people that replied have expressed a preference for using
> the underscore. In addition, by that time, there was also another Wiki
> page for the drive_through=yes tag
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:drive_through> to indicate
> that an amenity has drive-though service.
>
> Having two tags (drive_through=yes and service=drive-through) one with
> an underscore and another with a hyphen is quite inconsistent. So
> there's an incentive to harmonize these two tags to both use
> underscores.
>
>
> In April 2011, I moved the Wiki page to service=drive_through:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:service%3Ddrive_through&diff=628129&oldid=566268
>
> In May 2011, I corrected some tag values in some parts of the world:
> service=drivethrough -> service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059511
> service=drivethru -> service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8059542
> service=drive_thru --> service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067153
> service=drive-through --> service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067345
> service=drive-through --> service=drive_through:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8067383
> + 10 further changesets.
>
> I didn't receive a message nor did anyone bring the topic up in the
> tagging mailing list so I figured that people were OK with what I did.
> I certainly modified all over the world and somebody would have
> noticed it.
>
>
> In June 2011 (a few days ago) I continued changing the values to use
> underscores instead of hyphens. Dave F. noticed and started this
> thread. Based on a suggestion to submit patches, I then submitted
> patches to Potlatch 2 at Github and the Mapnik stylesheet at Trac to
> use the underscore versions.
>
>
> This is the history of service=drive_through tag from my perspective.
>
> If this discussion will force the community to finally agree on the
> preferred value, then this whole thing would have been worth it.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:21 AM, James Mast <rickmastfan67 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > All I know is that "service=drive-through" was rendered already in Mapnik
> > while "service=drive_through" is not.
> >
> > Look here:
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.525952&lon=-80.006203&zoom=18&layers=M
> >
> > I had originally tagged the "Drive Thru's" for Taco Bell and Arby's here
> as
> > "service=drive-through" before "seav" changed them.  The area now looks
> > really bad when you zoom out because they are now rendered as normal
> > "highway=service" ways.
> >
> > Here's the original ticket on the Trac that I did that got the
> > "service=drive-through" rendered like parking aisles:
> > http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3193
> >
> > And put my vote in as "service=drive-through".
> >
> > --
> >
> > And if you guys didn't know, seav posted a request to have the rendering
> > changed today in Trac: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3873
>
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