[Tagging] opening-hours off closed
bigfatfrog67 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 28 15:37:35 UTC 2013
On 28/11/2013 15:32, nounours wrote:
> Dear André,
> Also being new to OSM and new to the tagging mailing list, I
> completely understand your frustration. And I also believe that a lot
> of people left OSM because even if they try hard, the don't get it right.
> On the other hand, I also understand the people being involved for a
> long time in OSM, to explain over and over again the same things ...
> But I think, in all documentations on the wiki, there is a lot of
> "clean-up" needed, to make clear to newcomers what's valid and what's
> not. And also I think contributors would benefit from a badge
> indicating the state, like "I'm new and willing to learn. If I do
> something wrong, it's not on purpose", in opposition to a badge "I'm
> an old OSM guy and grounchy, and if I do something, I do it on purpuse
> to make life harder for others".
> In a conlcusion, I only can ask you to stay and help to transform OSM
> in the way your suggesting.
> Concerning opening_hours: I'm very much happy that finally someone
> (André) tries to simply this tag. I personally think the original
> definition is a nightmare, and even Andrés "simplified" syntax looks
> very, very complicated to a normal mapper.
> Well, I really hope the person that added the "don't use it"-flag will
> remove it and help to improve André diagramm!
> Thanks, nounours
> (badge: greenhorn, but willing to learn)
> Am 28.11.2013 um 16:15 schrieb André Pirard:
>> I had to tag the simplest thing there is: a parking lot closed a few
>> hours on Fridays (during market time).
>> On wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours
>> <http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Opening_hours>, I found explanations by,
>> rather than a simple diagram, a lot of examples and explanations
>> sometimes nearing slang like "off" rather than the internationally
>> understood "closed".
>> After spending much time reading them several times, I didn't find
>> how to code that ubiquitous case.
>> I queried this list and I received something like six different and
>> alternating answers.
>> Someone even said that "off", crowding the page, is not to be used.
>> So, I thought that this fuzzy matter had to be be solved by writing a
>> simple syntax diagram. Should anything be wrong in it, someone would
>> put it right and it would be a good job jobbed and a big step forward.
>> Instead of that, someone added to footnote 1 the very clear sentence
>> "no program works like that", looking like a discussion message. I
>> posted here that it would be better to state (and fix) how the
>> diagram must be rather than how it must not (I also receive repeated
>> updates notices from the discussion page in which someone put a vote).
>> And now, probably in thanks for my contribution, my diagram was
>> adorned with this:
>> The syntax diagram below had no proper discussion and vote, and
>> conflicts with established tagging. *Don't use it!*
>> It is obviously something very difficult to understand that a diagram
>> translating an article needs no discussion nor vote but needs to be
>> corrected to align with the obscure explanations by their gurus.
>> Else, it's the article itself that suffers from lack of discussion
>> and vote. That remark still doesn't say what's wrong in the diagram.
>> In practical conclusion, two months after stating the problem I still
>> don't see how to do. I know that the diagram is wrong but not what
>> in it and there is still no example in the page explaining how to tag
>> that ubiquitous case.
>> So, I followed my best option: remove my tagging, unsubscribe and
>> forget it all about opening-hours.
>> That's probably what a many mappers have done silently, unless it's
>> true that they tag in every which way.
>> Help OSM, they say.
>> All the best for the rest
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