[Tagging] HOA-required names

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Sat Dec 26 09:31:22 UTC 2015

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 2:58 AM, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at rushpost.com>

> On Sat, 2015-12-26 at 17:45 +0900, John Willis wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 26, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn at rushpost.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > basically just someone's driveway
> >
> > It may not be an official name, as in an official city public road.
> >
> > But it is a named road. Even service roads can have names, and the
> > private residential roads in a large housing complex are easy to name.
> > Even long driveways to private residences can be labeled if the
> > information is signed and needed by a person for proper routing.
> From what I could tell on the video, the road/driveway is not very long.
> The HOA really shouldn't have required them to name it based on what
> I've observed of HOAs here in (Harris, Fort Bend, and Montgomery
> Counties in) Texas. It's quite possible Colorado is different.

I'm not sure length or significance of the street matters on whether or not
it has a name.  Beaverton claims Short Street
the shortest street in the world at 6'0", though I dispute Beaverton's
measurement as you can see the Google Car fits on the block
(barely), and most people barely notice the break in the curb between
Canyon Road and Beaverdam Road (which is essentially an alley, complete
with 15 MPH limit).  And since it's a private road (if you look at the Mapbox
there's actually two driveways off it, currently belonging to the same
property, but appears to be a stub for a potential small future
subdivision), that'd be about as official as it's going to get (for now),
and it's posted, so there's a ground truth to it (someone local to Colorado
Springs could confirm that the sign's been replaced, since presumably the
HOA gets the news).

> The only exception I would see to this is if it is just the homeowner's
> > name. If it is any kind of ref or non-family name "Circle J Road", then
> > it should be labeled.
> My issue with labeling the road itself is that any navigation
> device/software which uses OSM data may at some point read off that
> long, silly name (which may well exceed the expected length as well). I
> really do not want to see the horrible mess that Mapnik will probably
> make trying to label it, either. (Or will it just not try if the name is
> too long?)

This is something data consumers need to Just Deal With; zero-one-infinity
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_one_infinity_rule> should apply and
deal with such situations rationally.  At least my region is prone to
long* names (and sometimes *extremely multiplexed* routes, hence why I keep
bringing up that we really should move to relations rather than way-tagging
refs for what can be handled with route=* relations, but there's another
thread about this).  Oklahoma named part of OK 66 Officer Larry W. Cantrell
and Mister Charles L. Cantrell Memorial Highway
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/288406184>, for example (and made me
doubletake when I saw the signs).  Why not a longer segment and a shorter
name (like the entire Sapulpa-Tulsa segment of 66 as just "Cantrell
Highway" and erect a monument along it is beyond me; I'm not the one who
sets the ground truth.  At least "A dog...pickle road" is fairly mnemonic
and iconic by contrast.
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