[Tagging] Cenotaph WAS Re: Tagging memorial sites

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Tue Sep 20 05:43:18 UTC 2016


Read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site

That says his remains are in said tomb... as shown in your linked photo.
The only reference I can see to a 'cenotaph' are your words ... where do 
you get it from?

On 20-Sep-16 08:36 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>
> In what way is it not a cenotaph? It is clearly a structural monument. 
> It is in memory of a deceased person. Said deceased person is not 
> entombed there, although his remains are thought to be in an unmarked 
> grave somewhere nearby. It looks like a tomb, but nobody is entombed 
> in it.
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2016 6:31 PM, "Warin" <61sundowner at gmail.com 
> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 20-Sep-16 12:51 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote:
>>     tomb=cenotaph sounds perfect, if unusual.
>>
>>     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg
>>     <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steuben_Memorial_State_Historic_Site#/media/File:Baron_von_Steuben_Monumental_Tomb_Jul_10.jpg>
>>     is the cenotaph that I was mapping when the question arose. Baron
>>     von Steuben's remains are in an unmarked grave somewhere nearby.
>>     The 'memorial tomb' was erected, contrary to his express wish to
>>     be buried in an unmarked grave, decades after his death. It is
>>     claimed, but by no means certain, that the memorial covers his
>>     remains. He is most certainly not entombed within it.
>
>
>     Not a 'cenotaph'. _Cenotaphs are not tombs_!
>
>     A definition of cenotaph is;
>     a) a structural monument in memory to a deceased person whose body
>     is elsewhere (so not a tomb)
>     b) a municipal, civic, or national memorial to those killed in war.
>
>     On the LPI data base (for Australia, New South Wales) there are 13
>     listed 'cenotaphs'.
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
>>     <dieterdreist at gmail.com <mailto:dieterdreist at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         2016-09-19 13:17 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer
>>         <dieterdreist at gmail.com <mailto:dieterdreist at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>             there's only one memorial:type=cenotaph
>>
>>
>>
>>         btw., those cenotaphs wikipedia has as examples in osm would
>>         rather be historic=monument than memorial I think:
>>         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph
>>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cenotaph>
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>         Martin
>>
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