[Tagging] Tagging for Pipe Line Reserves
Ross Scanlon
info at 4x4falcon.com
Wed Feb 8 12:36:49 UTC 2017
Agree Dave.
As I said it could be a park but without on the ground survey or other
info it's unknown.
These are quite often parks and should be tagged as leisure=park but
onwards from that is the reason it is a park.
In these situations the park could also be a reserve or easement for the
pipe line.
The discussion on talk_au was that it could be tagged leisure=park
park=pipeline_reserve.
Cheers
Ross
On 08/02/17 22:02, Dave Swarthout wrote:
> Thanks Ross,
>
> It *might *be a park but we can't be sure. The mapper only says
> source=Bing. For all we know he's merely making an educated guess. His
> changeset comment suggests he has also added some "pipeline reserves"
> although a quick look doesn't turn any up.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Ross Scanlon <info at 4x4falcon.com
> <mailto:info at 4x4falcon.com>> wrote:
>
> This is the aerial imagery of the area the original poster is
> talking about:
>
> https://binged.it/2kN1tfC
>
> To all intents it could be a park.
>
> In osm it's at:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ross
>
>
>
> On 08/02/17 19:51, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>> Yes, I see now you're asking about the land that the pipeline
>> either runs over or through.
>>
>> I would avoid the term reserve, however. I generally think of a
>> reserve as a larger area, often a park or historic area, e.g.,
>> the Gabo Island Lighthouse Reserve in Canada or the Hinchinbrook
>> Lighthouse Reserve, which is a Park in Valdez-Cordova County,
>> Alaska. There is also this reserve which is related to your
>> illustration; the huge area known as the National Petroleum
>> Reserve in Alaska, but I would not want it to be confused with
>> your tagging targets.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Petroleum_Reserve%E2%80%93Alaska
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Petroleum_Reserve%E2%80%93Alaska>
>>
>> Maybe landuse=pipeline would be a good pick?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com
>> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> On 08-Feb-17 06:51 PM, François Lacombe wrote:
>>> Hi Warin,
>>>
>>> Do you have pictures of such areas plz ?
>>>
>>> I don't see anything corresponding to 'reserve'
>>>
>>> All the best
>>
>> Not personally ... and it is a fair way away. As I say ..
>> reported on the Australian group.
>> I assume there is a sign locally to advise on the 'pipeline
>> reserve'.
>>
>> Gas pipe lines cover fair distances in Australia ..
>>
>> One line is 1,300 km here
>> https://www.apa.com.au/our-services/gas-transmission/east-coast-grid/moomba-sydney-pipeline/
>> <https://www.apa.com.au/our-services/gas-transmission/east-coast-grid/moomba-sydney-pipeline/>
>>
>> The reserve might be up to 25 meters wide from
>> https://www.seagas.com.au/safety/
>> <https://www.seagas.com.au/safety/>
>> Photo of their warning sign
>> http://www.seagas.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/danger.jpg
>> <http://www.seagas.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/danger.jpg>
>> I have seen similar signs for gas and fibre optic lines in my
>> wanderings, some warning of a restriction in use of area
>> above the line - thus advising of a restrictive reserve.
>>
>> There will be local storm water, potable water lines too.
>> Long distant buried communication lines too, a number over
>> 8,500 km. At least some of these will have 'reserves' evident
>> on the surface.
>>
>>>
>>> Le 8 févr. 2017 08:24, "Warin" <61sundowner at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>>
>>> That tags the pipe line itself.
>>>
>>> The request is to tag the area set aside for a pipe line
>>> ... a reserve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08-Feb-17 04:38 PM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
>>>> There is already a tagging structure for pipelines that
>>>> takes into account whether it's underground or
>>>> overground. See
>>>>
>>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8964252
>>>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8964252>
>>>>
>>>> for a section of the Trans Alaska Pipeline. However,
>>>> the land area above the pipeline, which is restricted
>>>> for casual access throughout Alaska, has no special
>>>> tagging.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Warin
>>>> <61sundowner at gmail.com <mailto:61sundowner at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> A question came up on the Australian list that
>>>> would be more appropriate here.
>>>>
>>>> "My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots
>>>> of pipeline reserves.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear
>>>> to have
>>>>
>>>> public access for walking at least. (One local one
>>>> has a sign
>>>> disallowing golf...) Some others appear to be
>>>> across private
>>>> land, and i'm less interested in those, I'd really
>>>> like to
>>>> show those ones with public access.
>>>>
>>>> examples:http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073
>>>> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths
>>>> evident on the ground have just been
>>>> tagged highway=path.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?"
>>>>
>>>> My comments:
>>>>
>>>> I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume
>>>> underground and the
>>>> location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe
>>>> line itself.
>>>>
>>>> As it is a landuse ... ?
>>>> I would tag landuse=pipeline
>>>>
>>>> However ... some pipe lines cross farms,
>>>> residential areas ... these have legal easements
>>>> through the associated properties.
>>>> And these would be already tagged with a landuse.
>>>>
>>>> Humm power lines are mapped ... should there be
>>>> similar provision for other infrastructure?
>>>> Perhaps a 'infrastructure' tag that can be used for
>>>> all?
>>>> infrastructure=pipeline
>>>> infrastructure=sewer
>>>> infrastructure=water
>>>> infrastructure=phone
>>>>
>>>> Note it should be used for the area that is
>>>> affected by/reserved for the infrastructure, not
>>>> just the infrastructure itself?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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