[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations
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Tue Mar 7 23:02:49 UTC 2017
On 07-Mar-17 10:56 PM, Thilo Haug wrote:
> Hi all,
> thanks to Martin for the clarification.
> In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry :
> I referred to the definition of the German automobile club :
> The German automobile club has the following criteria :
> * (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas.
> * Facilities for wet clothes.
> * Tools for minor repairs
> * Extensive information material (including tour suggestions,
> excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists)
> Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes".
You will get few that meet all of these criteria on a worldwide basis.
The proposal looks like it is a requirement to meet all 4 of these
In some climates wet weather is a lesser concern, so wet clothing
facilities are less frequently used and as such stored out of the way -
thus less obvious.
'Extensive' is a subjective term.
The word 'including' means that all these things are required to meet
The words 'for example' could replace 'including' to allow a few of
these things or other things to be used to meet the criteria.
> "No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists).
I would take a broader view. I would take 'no' to mean 'discourages' as
well as the meaning 'rejects'.
> As there are certainly accommodations
> which just don't care about your means of transport,
> there is also a third option, which I called "customary",
> as this categorization is already in use (for nudism)
The meaning of 'customary' is 'usual practice' ... what your proposal
takes as 'customary' is a lesser friendliness that the 'yes' case. This
is not the meaning of the word 'customary'! And it is confusing to a
native English speaker.
Do not use this word this way.
A better word might be 'partial', meaning 'not total, but a bit'.
> So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated".
> In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the
> "discussion" :
Discussion can also take place here, and you should observe these too.
> Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>> 2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug <thaug at gmx.de
>> <mailto:thaug at gmx.de>>:
>> "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
>> as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation
>> of existing data collections
>> ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly
>> listing hotels).
>> This is the motivation of this tag.
>> one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be
>> objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or
>> any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable
>> for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is
>> suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this
>> regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness
>> or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists,
>> hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not
>> absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it
>> clear that it is about objective, observable criteria.
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