[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - Voting - tag "motorcycle friendly" for accomodations

Warin 61sundowner at gmail.com
Tue Mar 7 23:02:49 UTC 2017

On 07-Mar-17 10:56 PM, Thilo Haug wrote:
> Hi all,
> thanks to Martin for the clarification.
> In the discussion of the (former voted) wiki entry :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:motorcycle_friendly
> I referred to the definition of the German automobile club :
> 8X-----------
> The German automobile club has the following criteria :
>   * (Theft) safe and secure motorcycle parking areas.
>   * Facilities for wet clothes.
>   * Tools for minor repairs
>   * Extensive information material (including tour suggestions,
>     excursion tips, road maps, useful addresses for motorcyclists)
> https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/motorrad/motorradfreundliche-gastgeber/qualitaetssiegel/default.aspx
> 8X-----------
> Those four points should be given if an item is categorized as "yes".

You will get few that meet all of these criteria on a worldwide basis.
The proposal looks like it is a requirement to meet all 4 of these 

In some climates wet weather is a lesser concern, so wet clothing 
facilities are less frequently used and as such stored out of the way - 
thus less obvious.
'Extensive' is a subjective term.
The word 'including' means that all these things are required to meet 
the criteria.
The words 'for example' could replace 'including' to allow a few of 
these things or other things to be used to meet the criteria.

> "No" means they don't accept motorcyclists (seldom, but exists).

I would take a broader view. I would take 'no' to mean 'discourages' as 
well as the meaning 'rejects'.
> As there are certainly accommodations
> which just don't care about your means of transport,
> there is also a third option, which I called "customary",
> as this categorization is already in use (for nudism)
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:nudism#Tagging

The meaning of 'customary' is 'usual practice' ... what your proposal 
takes as 'customary' is a lesser friendliness that the 'yes' case. This 
is not the meaning of the word 'customary'! And it is confusing to a 
native English speaker.
Do not use this word this way.

A better word might be 'partial', meaning 'not total, but a bit'.

> So I think the criteria is quite clear and not "opinionated".
> In case the description could be improved, please let me know in the 
> "discussion" :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly#Proposal

Discussion can also take place here, and you should observe these too.

> Cheers,
> Thilo
> Am 07.03.2017 um 11:20 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
>> 2017-03-07 10:58 GMT+01:00 Thilo Haug <thaug at gmx.de 
>> <mailto:thaug at gmx.de>>:
>>     "own data, as an overlay" doesn't make sense to me in this case,
>>     as it's data the community should collect, not the transformation
>>     of existing data collections
>>     ("motorcycle friendly" web pages, as they are often randomly
>>     listing hotels).
>>     This is the motivation of this tag.
>> one of the basic fundamental rules in OSM is that data should be 
>> objective and not opinionated. We do not want restaurant reviews (or 
>> any other personal review) or a generalized way of saying "suitable 
>> for cyclists" (you can of course map the factors that say why it is 
>> suitable or not), and a "friendly:*" tag could be misleading in this 
>> regard. I agree that there are facts that can indicate a friendlyness 
>> or hostility towards a certain group of people (e.g. motorcyclists, 
>> hikers, hunters, cyclists, ...), like the signs, so I am not 
>> absolutely against a tag like this, but the definition should make it 
>> clear that it is about objective, observable criteria.
>>     Didn't understand what you mean with "digest approach" ?
>> You can subscribe to the mailing list getting all the messages as 
>> soon as they are sent, or in a digest way (many messages together in 
>> one email) after n messages (I think it's 10 or 15) have been sent to 
>> the list.
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
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