[Tagging] Proposed deletion of wiki pages about motorcycle_friendly=*

Wed Oct 4 15:44:31 UTC 2017

Whatever this tag is good or bad, it's not a good idea to delete the page from the wiki. 
If I find it in the data, this page will inform me on its meaning. 
Now if it's bad, you can trust the contributors not to use it. 
Also, you can take time to explain your argument against in the discussion page, it's a wiki ;-) 
Yves 

Le 4 octobre 2017 11:45:50 GMT+02:00, Tom Pfeifer <t.pfeifer at computer.org> a écrit :
>On 03.10.2017 11:34, Thilo Haug wrote:
>> Please describe which 'problems' you fear to appear if it's not
>deleted.
>
>As you ask so directly - the core problem is your attitude towards the
>community.
>
>On 10 January 2017‎ you propose "motorcycle_friendly", but don't
>discuss it in the community.
>On 11 January 2017‎ you declare on your wiki user page ""Hello, I'm new
>to OSM,"
>This is correct, your main mapping activities started in 2016:
>http://hdyc.neis-one.org/  --> ti-lo
>
>On 16 January 2017 you open the voting on "motorcycle_friendly".
>On 17 January 2017‎ you create the feature page for
>"motorcycle_friendly" without even waiting for 
>results.
>
>From 17-20 January you _stage_ votes! I haven't seen such thing before!
>
>All 'yes'-voters below not only have their _only ever_ wiki
>contribution in this "voting", they were 
>_created_ for this vote. None of them has an OSM account (well, one,
>with 0 changesets).
>
>Here is the evidence:
>
>11:00, 17 January 2017 User account Quietus (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Quietus|Quietus]] ([[User talk:Quietus|talk]])
>11:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>11:02, 17 January 2017 User account Gvinci (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Gvinci|Gvinci]] ([[User talk:Gvinci|talk]])
>11:08, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>11:08, 17 January 2017 User account Maxticli (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Maxticli|Maxticli]] ([[User talk:Maxticli|talk]])
>11:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>13:00, 17 January 2017 User account Landex (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Landex|Landex]] ([[User talk:Landex|talk]])
>13:02, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>13:44, 17 January 2017 User account Mk-1-ADV (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Mk-1-ADV|Mk-1-ADV]] ([[User talk:Mk-1-ADV|talk]])
>14:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>07:12, 17 January 2017 User account Harald2000 (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Harald2000|Harald2000]] ([[User
>talk:Harald2000|talk]]) 14:08, 17 January 2017 
>(UTC)
>20:21, 17 January 2017 User account Ktm-pilot (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Ktm-pilot|Ktm-pilot]] ([[User
>talk:Ktm-pilot|talk]]) 22:37, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
>01:17, 18 January 2017 User account TG (talk | contribs) was created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:TG|TG]] ([[User talk:TG|talk]]) 01:28, 18 January
>2017 (UTC)
>14:32, 18 January 2017 User account JayHay (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:JayHay|JayHay]] ([[User talk:JayHay|talk]])
>14:36, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
>17:18, 18 January 2017 User account Wonkyconk (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Wonkyconk|Wonkyconk]] ([[User
>talk:Wonkyconk|talk]]) 17:21, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
>20:43, 19 January 2017 User account Slamper (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:Slamper|Slamper]] ([[User talk:Slamper|talk]])
>22:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
>20:12, 20 January 2017 User account JP-ADV990R (talk | contribs) was
>created
>{{vote|yes}} --[[User:JP-ADV990R|JP-ADV990R]] ([[User
>talk:JP-ADV990R|talk]]) 20:21, 20 January 2017 
>(UTC)
>
>As you refer to your wikipedia activities
>(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Rtfm), you 
>certainly knew already about _Sock Puppets_, don't you?
>
>Even if these were real people, like your biker gang, they are not
>members of the OSM community, 
>thus not eligible for voting.
>
> From _existing_ users, the votes were 3:1 against.
>
>In March, your voting process was declared invalid by the community:
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031403.html
>You are given excuses that are technically implausible ("Voting
>announcement ... lost in a spam 
>folder") - there is no such folder, and there was no such mail in the
>list archive.
>
>In the following discussion, you delete or strike opinions of users
>against your proposal:
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1442529
>(deleting James...)
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/motorcycle_friendly&diff=next&oldid=1437794
>(striking Rich...)
>
>You have been _blocked twice for mechanical edits_, trying to push
>recent wiki fiddling immediately 
>into the database:
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1293 (4 April)
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1383 (22 June)
>
>This was in context with your undiscussed change of '_' to ':' in boat
>rental types
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:amenity%3Dboat_rental&action=history
>and your world-spanning change of those tags, see the the long list
>here
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/49874036
>Your edits were being discussed by the community here:
>https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=58812
>
>You are changing established tags into those proposed by yourself,
>worldwide.
>You start edit-wars even: after a revert by the community, you
>re-insert them:
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1457760519/history
>http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4150644186/history
>
>You are copying from other databases, violating their terms and
>conditions, to populate your 
>motorcycle:*=* tagging scheme
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600487
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52602764
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52600143
>
>Currently you have created a proposal about shop subtags, fine.
>However you spam about 25 shop=value feature pages with an entry
>advertising this proposal, example:
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ashop%3Dhardware&type=revision&diff=1504194&oldid=1480193
>
>
>That creates unnecessary noise.
>
>OSM is not your personal database, you are not alone.
>
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