[Tagging] [Documentation] RFC - man_made=pumping_station

[François Lacombe]

Hi,

It may be good to think globally and develop the waterworks=* key instead
of using man_made
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/waterworks#overview

This would efficently group pumping_station, sewerage_process,
drinking_process, covered_reservoir and so on...
Waterworks connect to natural and artifical waterways including pressurised
and pipelines.

Processed or produced type of water may go in substance=* key
(drinking_water, raw_water, sewerage...)

Let's follow the experience of power plants by distinguishing buildings
from devices.
Pumping station refer to the building while a pump refers to the device
(node inside the building)
If the building is too small to let technicians enter in it, it's a street
cabinet (man_made=streer_cabinet)

This require formal proposal for waterworks facilities, some of them are
already listed in this draft about water networks
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/water_network

All the best

François

2018-04-26 19:16 GMT+02:00 Paul Allen <pla16021 at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:14 PM, marc marc <marc_marc_irc at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > pumping_station=sewage
>>
>> is pumping_station only a duplicate key for substance ?
>> it look like useless
>>
>
> I suspect pumping_station=sewage was the original way of tagging it but
> then
> the pipeline people decided substance=sewage was better.  Taginfo has 883
> uses  of pumping_station and only 165 pumping_station=sewage.  Taginfo has
> 1097 uses of substance=sewage, but a lot of those could be pipelines and
> manholes, to which it also applies.  It can probably be deleted but I'll
> wait
> until I'm happy about all the other changes before I do it,to give somebody
> who lived through those changes a chance to say why it should remain.
>
>>
>> > 1) Tag actual buildings housing pump machinery as building=service
>> > as well as man_made=pumping_station etc.  This approach can be
>> > found here http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/439149633
>>
>> if the pump is inside the building, it's of course a good idea to map
>> the building.
>>
>
> Indeed.  But only required if the building is all there is to the pumping
> station, to give an object to apply man_made=pumping_station to.  If
> it's just one building amongst a collection of stuff, it's nice to add it
> with
> building=service but could be omitted if the aerial imagery isn't clear.
>
>
>> PS : the name look like fake.
>>
>
> It could be real.  Not a problem if it's not.
>
>>
>> > 2) Tag an area, which may be a single building, or a fence around one
>> > or more buildings (and possibly other stuff) as landuse=industrial.
>> This
>> > approach can be found here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/488574374
>>
>> a pump for a residential area in a street cabinet or in a small building
>> is imho not an industrial landuse.
>>
>
> Yeah, I'm not happy tagging a cabinet that way.  Single building I'm not so
> sure of.  If it's not industrial landuse in an urban environment is it
> industrial
> in a rural one?
>
> Which is why building=service is probably better in that case.  Anybody
> know what the appropriate tag is for a cabinet (Australians, please don't
> say "kiosk").
>
> > 7) Other.
>>
>> I'm not sure that we need to document "map the building if it as a
>> building" but why not.
>>
>
> Because it's not obvious.  It's natural to assume that a wiki page which
> tells you how to tag something tells you everything you need to know.
> Otherwise people end up making up their own solutions, or keep asking
> in the forum, or get frustrated because it doesn't work, or they end up
> researching it as best they can then proposing a documentation change
> on this mailing list.
>
>
>> I think we should advise each method when it is the most appropriate:-)
>> a cabinet or a building without a landuse if it's only a cabinet or
>> building
>> an area with a landuse if it's an area = more than only a building (2 or
>> more building and/or space around the building also "used" for the
>> station)
>>
>
> I'd say what makes it landuse is more than one object and there's a fence
> around those objects.  In borderline cases even a single building with a
> fence can probably be mapped as landuse because there may be
> underground objects within the fence that the mapper is unaware of.
>
> I wonder when we're going to decide what to call large street cabinets. :)
>
> --
> Paul
>
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